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That was a good thread to read - some people have short memories
To me this looked very forced.
My opinion is to continue trying to develop him, but knowing that will come with som costs. In my opinion he is not properly schooled. He does not have the basics and that is why he is difficult for others to partner up with. They don’t know how he will act, what he is about to do, or if he will cover for them. He goes on adventourius tours when he shouldn’t, he often misses the offside line, and so on. Then he has many good qualities as well, and I think he can be great if he gets the basics.
Literally none of those are from this season. Or last.
If you have to go back more than 2 seasons to come up with arguments that a player is fairly good, you have problems
The last time Bailly did well was the last time Rojo did well. Thats the problem. Thats a long time to go without having a good season or half a season
DM requires a lot of footballing intelligence.
You need to be able to read the game from the back of the pitch and intercept threats as they are incoming.
Bailly is definitely not a DM. CB is his best position.
Short memories? The stuff in the post is 2 years old. People who buys into it are the ones with short memories. He has been a liability for almost 2 seasons now....
You opinion on any other CB is like reading others opinion on Smalling.
You don't have to go 2 seasons back to watch his good performance.
Liverpool game is from last season. Most of his good work is in season 1 but it's still enough to persist with it another season imo. A bad run of form/loss of confidence is very possible.
Smalling is arguably our best CB this season. Statistically even our best overall player in the champions league.
Bailly is the opposite. Our lowest rated CB in the league by a distance and our 2nd lowest rated CB in the champions league ahead of Rojo. Last season Bailly was only ahead of Rojo and Lindelof.
So this is his 2nd unimpressive season, while its Smalling's 2nd in a row where he's doing very well
I didnt say he is better than Smalling and using Whoscored rating . Mustafi will be up there with the best when his thread is renamed as fraud fraud on Arsenal forum.
Mustafi is always making mistakes, like Bailly.
Smalling makes the least of our CBs.
According their rating, Mustafi was the best CB in the league last season, even his Mother won't agree with that.
In any case, no one said Bailly is better than Smalling, so you can stop getting defensive.
Whoscored ratings are a poor way of measuring performances. Better to watch the matches. Smalling has been good since the comeback from injury but before the injury, he was well his normal standard imo. All together a good season so far, but not fantastic. Last season was better. However we have started to see a great partnership grow between him and Lindelof, and I expect (hope) that at the end of the season we will say that United have the best CB pair in the league. High expectations but there is the potential.
When it comes Bailly I don’t expect he will get a continuous session of matches unless there are plenty of injuries. Solskjaer will keep Smalling Lindelof as number one and play the other here and there or if there is an injury.
Correct. Mustafi's mistakes arent taken into account on whoscored, at least not properly. I believe that if a player's mistake results in a goal their rating goes down, but if the team gets away with it I dont believe thats the case.
Like every other CB Mustafi's rating represents his workrate and what he does over the course of a match.
Neither are Bailly's mistakes considered though. So he's even worse than his stats suggest just like Mustafi is, because Bailly is error prone just like Mustafi is.
Smalling makes the least mistakes so theres no question of his statistical rating. Players who do a lot of good stuff but ruin it with a lapse in concetration allowing the opponents to often have a chance to score a goal can indeed end up with better statistical ratings.
We've seen that with Bailly in his first season when he still made rash challenges, overagressive chanllenges and a lack of composure with his clearances being sliced and up in the air instead of away. We've seen it with Jones. We've seen it with Rojo. They've all had seasons where they ranked highly statistically compared to their peers. But all of them have shown themselves to be error prone which ruins a lot of their good work.
The difference between now and Bailly's first season is, he also made a lot of tackles and interceptions compared to the other CBs in the league. He was a workrate player.
And even this season and last there are some metrics where he wins the ball a lot still, because he's such an aggressive player. But he makes mistakes lots of them. So he's even worse than the stats suggest because we dont have a stat counting how many times he makes a poor choice in defense that allows the other team a shot. If anyone actually started counting that stat, players like Mustafi and Bailly would be rated a lot lower.
Whoscored only takes 'direct errors' into account I think. Bailly's double mistake for the goal we conceded against PSG does not count for example, but Kehrer's and Buffon's for Lukaku's goals do.
Yep. See, thats where you have to take into account what you're seeing yourself. Personally I watch every game and have a big focus on how we defend.
I even like when other teams attack us and they're pretty good, because I like to see our team defend well so that I know what we're capable of. I prefer that to matches where our opposition play poorly and are never really in the match and we just crush them, because that often tells you very little about what your team is capable of defensively.
So, I'm looking at who is culpable for chances on goal when I watch us play. I'm looking for who could or should be doing better. Bailly, Rojo and Jones have earned a reputation for messing up. Lindelof less so but hes been here shorter and was still often beaten to the ball last season and at the start of this season. Meanwhile Smalling is quite dependable not to give scoring chances away. He's human and he's not the best CB in the world so of course there are occasionally chances where he moght have done better. But on average he's the one we can count on.
So if you keep that in mind and then look at him having the highest rating of our players in the champions league this season, and the highest of our CBs in the league. And if you want to go and look closer and see which stats he's ahead on to make him have an overall rating thats higher than our other CBs, the combination of what you're watching and what the stats tell you that its easy to overlook (eyes play tricks and more often than not will just feed your agenda going in) thats where you can come to a good conclusion, using whoscored's range of stats rather than looking at just 2 or 3 specific stats.
Bailly being prone to being rash, making nervous clearances and being more aggressive than needed in some challenges is why even though statistically he was one of our highest rated CBs statistically (he was in fact 2nd to Rojo)
was the reason I still rated Smalling higher that season than Bailly, Rojo and Jones. Because of them making more mistakes. Despite them having more workrate and therefore a higher rating statistically.
When Smalling is the one thats ahead it really means something. Because it means he has the workrate as well as being the CB we can most rely on not to be caught out or make an individual error
The game style of a player will be reflected in the scores. A defender with good positioning who totally erases the attackers wouldn’t get good ratings but someone who is poor at marking but good at saving it with a block or tackle gets good ratings, just as the ones that win lots of aerials. I sometimes look at the scores during a game and for some players it reflect the performance but for others it’s not even close.
Injured? Not fit?
Or is seriously Jones ahead of him at CB and RB? Future is bright.
Jones is better than him so of course he should be ahead.
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