Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Feeky Magee, Oct 15, 2011.
My point exactly. I'm telling you bro, we agree way too much
Did they ever think that it just makes their case weaker? The more comments that come out, the more tension that becomes built up and media attention they draw to themselves which I think the FA were hoping would happen. It went quiet for a bit but now it's picking up. Hence, Dalglish is kind of taking a step back. 6 game ban is already a blow. What more do they need?
Where are the reports of a 6 game ban?
Needs to be more than a 6 match ban, Rio Ferdinand was banned for 8 months after he missed a drugs test. If we're serious about getting rid of racism in football, it needs to be at least a 6 months ban.
Never going to happen.
Gus Poyet saying he'd go to court to prove that Suarez isn't a racist is completely missing the point isn't it?
Poyet: 'Luis Suarez is 100% not a racist' | Listen Here
Crikey, Poyet's comments this morning are risible.
What is he thinking. He's making it a million times worse for Suarez.
crazy comments from Poyet.
Poyet sticking his beak in isn't going to help Suarez at all.
Christ, imagine having Gus Poyet as a character witness. Its as good as a guilty plea.
That whole interview from Poyet is monumentally retarded.
Have we heard from Glen Johnson yet? That would be interesting.
Is it coincidence that since this story broke, the regular Liverpool fans we have on this board have almost vanished ?
I for one would love to hear the thoughts of Spammy, redman5 etc etc....
I had to turn off the radio at 9 'cos I was at work, what was Brazil's reaction after the news on Talkshite? I could tell Irani wasn't impressed by what he was hearing.
Collymores been ranting about it on twitter
Poyet is completely missing the point.The question is not whether Suarez is truly a racist or not.It's whether racially abusing a player can be acceptable or not ?
I don't give a feck if Suarez has black mates or even if his wife is black for instance, he just cannot get away with calling some "negrito".Yes many incidents go unnoticed but when they get reported, the proper responses have to be applied.
Poyet is fecking clueless, think before opening your gobshit of a mouth
Spammy though has been gone for ages before this broke.
I actually miss the fecker.
That was my point.
Lots of people in the media and within football seem to be missing that point entirely.
You're right, there used to be many other Liverpool fans though no ?
Uruguayan embassy to help Liverpool's Luis Suárez fight FA charges | Football | The Guardian
What the feck ? What does it matter if this or that word aren't offending in Uruguay.He's been playing long enough in England to know what can and cannot be said.
This is one of the most retarded excuses I've ever heard.
There is a similar phrase in Cantonese: Gweilo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
鬼佬 is used fairly frequently in Asian countries (in Malaysia, it even makes its way into other languages as slang). The very translation is racist (ghost man, ghosts are white, etc.); however, its usage is used by the Chinese community and is not considered racist. Until, however, a foreigner comes into the picture... I know those who are shocked when this phrase is used and they find out what it means.
However, the crux of the issue is that it can be found offensive in other cultures... Even if Suárez did not mean to offend, the issue is still that it is possible to offend. And as many of our laws demonstrate, you do not have to have intent in order to be liable.
from the article
so there have been words said? (i know this has been settled some time back but still there seems to be doubt in some quarters whether anything has been said)
will the FA be convinced by the cultural dissonance argument?
This, I think, is the key.
Maybe, maybe I could excuse it if he'd literally just stepped off the plane from Uruguay having never left his home country or encountered any black people other than those from Uruguay. But this is a guy who has lived in Holland for five years prior to moving to England, who captained a multi-cultural team of footballers, who has played for his country in a major tournament in South Africa and who now plays in one of the most ethnically diverse leagues in the world, while also having black team mates.
And yet he didn't know using the phrase "Negarito" (or some derivate thereof) would be offensive? I'm calling bullshit on Luis and his magical P.R. machine.
Why are all these people completely missing the point?
It doesn't matter if the word can sometimes have endearing and pally connotations amongst friends, because Suarez wasn't being endearing or pally - he was on the wind up and was trying to get under Evra's skin.
I'm absolutely convinced that he knew what he was saying was wrong, he's been in Europe long enough, so the naivity excuse doesn't wash. The very fact he's been too scared to come out and tell us what he said suggests he knows it's not harmless.
Does he go around and call the likes of Glen Johson "negrito", I really highly doubt and in terms of friendship, the chances he is pal with Johnson are a lot bigger than with Evra.
The images speak for themselves, how can he argue he was being endearing to Evra when there was so much tension in the game ?
Anybody who has watched the footage will know conclusively that Suarez was not displaying any signs in his body language whatsoever of 'frendliness', 'endearment' or anything else where his comments could be construed as part of an amiable encounter
Get him to submit to a lie detector test, Herman Cain style.
Exactly. I can't believe how so few of the media are picking up on this fact.
The argument of "it's fine where I come from" and "I didn't realise it was offensive over here" simply does not wash. If he was fresh off the plane from Uruguay, I still wouldn't have it. As I've said elsewhere, how many times would you be going on holiday for like a week somewhere and you'll hear or be told "don't touch people's heads in that country, it's highly offensive in their culture"...etc etc.
And when it comes to a matter a serious as racism, then there's no way he didn't know what he was saying. ADD to that the fact that he's been in Europe for 5 years already AND he was clearly doing it to wind Evra up.
If, and it looks like they may well do, the FA have solid evidence - he has no defense.
It's not really the point, is it? Plenty of people say things like 'mate' or 'pal' when they're arguing with someone. He'll argue likewise, I imagine. I agree with the rest of what you've said thought.
Oh ? what's the "wifebeater" had to say then ?
I have a feeling that they are going to come down on him hard. Which would be well deserved.
If that's true, then there should be no question.
Though again I can't believe the 'It's okay in Uruguay' line will work...sounds like a punchline from a joke, not a legal defense.
That hits the nail on the head right there.
According to Suarez even his own teammates call him Negrito.
Presumably he means De Gea and Hernandez.
I really don't understand why they're acting like he's a little boy lost in Europe not understanding any of the customs. He's lived in Europe for 5 years, surely he didn't call every black guy he bumped into in Holland that name?
"Dogging wifebeater" to be accurate.
He'll say anything these days to be "controversial" and get as reaction. Another ambitious media man
I actually thought Poyet spoke quite well, perceptions of what we regard as racism are not necessarily regarded as racism in other countries , hence the only furure over Blatters' comments have been in the UK.
Of course, having been in the UK since Jan, and previously at Ajax who reside in a very cosmopolitan, mult-racial City, you'd expect Suarez to know what is and what is not acceptable over here.
No! Because he probably wouldn't have made it out alive.
He knew what he was doing and he knows it was wrong.Even with those teeth he can't dig his way out of this
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