Explosion at Dortmund bus. Alleged perpetrator arrested on April 21. Motive: Greed.

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  1. Apr 21, 2017 at 07:15

    Piratesoup Full Member

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    The fact alone that you can speculate on falling stocks has always pissed me off... what a time to be alive.
  2. Apr 21, 2017 at 07:36

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    Not to mention why go to all that trouble for such a small number of options. Crazy guy.
  3. Apr 21, 2017 at 07:47

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    Incredible.
  4. Apr 21, 2017 at 07:57

    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    So he would have got more stocks for the same money. Is that why he did it?

    Or he has stocks that would go up because of an attack.

    PS: I suck at understanding basic stock market
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  5. Apr 21, 2017 at 07:59

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    Unconfirmed media speculations claim he could have gained up to €4m.

    Edit: No debate that the guy is crazy and at the same time ruthless and quite stupid.
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  6. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:05

    Crossie Full Member

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    These put options entitled the owner to sell them until June 17 for a fixed price. The profit would have been depended on the fixed price (not mentioned yet) and how much the share price would have tanked.
  7. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:09

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    He basically speculated on falling stocks to then cash in and apparently used a loan for it. What the hell was he thinking? If I ever get that desperate for money I'd rather try and rob some random IKEA store. :lol:
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  8. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:11

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    Get them.

  9. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:11

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    I read it as €15000 worth of puts. I see its actually 15000 puts.

    He bet the price would drop. He bought the right to sell x amount of shares at a guaranteed price. When the actual price drops below the guaranteed price he can buy all the shares at the actual price, and sell them for the guaranteed price in the put option. The difference is his profit.
  10. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:12

    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera

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    What a despicable person, willing to sacrifice your fellow human beings to make money.
  11. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:20

    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    Ok.. I assumed that the person has to pay the price of share on the day he gets into the agreement of put options.
  12. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:23

    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    What the actual feck? We went from Islamic terrorists to right-wing nutjobs and then back and forth, and in the end it turns out to be a crazy Russian who speculated on Dortmund's stock. How did he even make those bombs?
  13. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:27

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

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    It's called the banking industry
  14. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:29

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    That's almost as shocking as the original report of the attack. Presumably we're talking about him hiring someone to do it? Or not. Anyway, at least that gives us some hope that it means it was a one-off not the start of some kind of campaign of attacks.
  15. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:30

    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    Google would have helped easily.
  16. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:34

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    Sorry, that's my mistake. I initially typed erraneously 15,000 and corrected it apparently not quick enough for your swift response. My bad!
  17. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:56

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    You have to sell the shares at the guaranteed price on a set day in the future. When and at what price you get the shares in the meantime is up to you.
  18. Apr 21, 2017 at 08:58

    ThomasEmil Invisible Herrera Watcher

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    ... For money? He really didn't think this through if he expected to do this, without being caught...
  19. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:02

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    I would put the speculation down to the press on the left and right being so desperate to blame either right wing nutjobs or islamic terrorists depending on their political posistion that the lack of any evidence or truth wont get in the way. They look like the bottom feeders they are when the truth comes out later and they are all far wide of the mark!
  20. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:03

    VanGaalEra Full Member

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    Well done you donkey, you wanted money and all you got was jail time and you've mentally scarred an entire team for your personal gain.

    cnut.
  21. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:12

    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    Has anything like this happened before in recent times?
  22. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:22

    Wooly Red Full Member

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    That is mental! How low can you be just for your greed?
  23. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:24

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    Wtf he really thought he would get away with it, crazy stuff.
  24. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:26

    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    No. I haven't heard of such levels of stupidity. However, the below happened in India in last few days.
    A guy got himself into a chat relation with a girl online from another city. To convince her that he meant business, he sent her a fake flight ticket (he didn't have money probably) promising her a day of fun in some city.
    When the D-Day arrived, he didn't want her to find out that the ticket was fake, so he made a mail-id with a female name, sent a mail saying 3 airports (including the ones in his city and hers) were being targetted by hijackers. This sent all airports into extra-security checks, anti-hijack teams were sent to airports etc.

    The guy was caught by investigation team and now faces 5 years of jail time and lots of fine.
  25. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:28

    Dan Aka Lumines

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    This is all very odd.
  26. Apr 21, 2017 at 09:46

    Ixion Full Member

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    Not going to go back and bump some old quotes but some people jumped to conclusions about this for their own shitty agendas. Should always wait and see what the truth is.
  27. Apr 21, 2017 at 10:19

    Adisa Full Member

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    You have to be one sick motherfecker to do this for money.
  28. Apr 21, 2017 at 10:20

    Adisa Full Member

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    Derivative contracts have been happening for centuries.
  29. Apr 21, 2017 at 10:36

    Jippy Sleeps with tramps, bangs jacuzzis

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    Stock market announcement from BVB today.

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      Friday 21 April, 2017

      Borussia Drtmd GmbH
      Explosive strike on the BVB team bus
      RNS Number : 9770C
      Borussia Dortmund GmbH & Co. KGaA
      21 April 2017

      Explosive strike on the BVB team bus - after arresting of a suspect Borussia Dortmund hopes for a quick reconnaissance

      DGAP-News: Borussia Dortmund GmbH & Co. KGaA / Key word(s): Miscellaneous

      21.04.2017 / 10:36
      The issuer is solely responsible for the content of this announcement.


      After the arrest of a suspect for the bombing of Borussia Dortmund's team bus on the evening of April 11th, 2017, the BVB hopes for a quick reconnaissance and thanks the investigating authorities.

      "The investigations by the Federal Prosecutor General, the Federal Criminal Police Office and the North Rhine-Westphalian police were conducted very intensively and with extreme pressure. We are grateful for the fact that in the suspect the responsible person for the humiliating attack on our players and staff members could be taken, "emphasize Hans-Joachim Watzke, Borussia Dortmund's CEO, and President Dr. Reinhard Rauball in unison.

      Dortmund, April 21st, 2017

      Borussia Dortmund GmbH & Co. KGaA
      Borussia Dortmund Geschäftsführungs-GmbH

      Contact:
      Dr. Robin Steden
      Inhouse Counsel / Investor Relations
      http://www.investegate.co.uk/boruss...rike-on-the-bvb-team-bus/201704210945049770C/
  30. Apr 21, 2017 at 10:36

    Crossie Full Member

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    The Federal Criminal Office will stream the presser at 12:30 CET. Link: https://www.pscp.tv/Bundeskriminalamt

    I assume that as last time, it'll be held in German only and will try to translate simultaneously.
  31. Apr 21, 2017 at 10:48

    Crossie Full Member

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    I can only speak for Gemany but by and large, it wasn't really the case here and generally speaking not as bad as I had expected.

    Reading the letter found at the crime scene, you didn't need to be an expert to question an islamistic background.
    Then two further claims for the attack were made - one pointing to far-left extremists, one to far-right extremists. In other words: As questionable as these additional two letters might have been, their very existence wasn't an invention by the media. Which opened the door for speculations in all directions.
  32. Apr 21, 2017 at 10:51

    Jippy Sleeps with tramps, bangs jacuzzis

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    I doubt people would've guessed it was a nutjob investors tbf!
  33. Apr 21, 2017 at 11:03

    lewwoo Full Member

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    No that's true but really backs up the point I was trying to make that the press should hold on for facts rather than wildly speculating. It would be nice if we lived in a world where the press presented the facts rather than an angle or opinion. I know that's living in dreamland!
  34. Apr 21, 2017 at 11:17

    Jippy Sleeps with tramps, bangs jacuzzis

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    I guess in this case you had the fake letters, so it was more understandable.
  35. Apr 21, 2017 at 11:21

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    So true. My co-workers were talking about how this was a nazi-terrorist attack. The press should be ashamed of the shite they spread, but they will not think twice about forgetting this and moving on with their agendas.
  36. Threadmark: Statement Federal Prosecutor's spox. Referred to press release of this morning; no indication of accomplices.
    Apr 21, 2017 at 11:35

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    Federal Prosecutor's spox:

    Confirmed what was stated in the press release (see threadmarked post on previous page). Additional information:
    • Accused bought three different types of options related to BVB's share price.
    • Unclear how large the possible profit could have been.
    • Investigations of the bombs ongoing, explosive material fully detonated and therefore investigations are more difficult, take more time.
    • Communication devices of the accused under investigation.
    • So far no indication of accomplices.
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  37. Apr 21, 2017 at 11:44

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    Piece of shit, hope somebody tears him a new one in prison.
  38. Apr 21, 2017 at 12:12

    AshfordLad Full Member

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    Crazy russo-German. I see what you did there.
  39. Apr 21, 2017 at 12:15

    EyeInTheSky Full Member

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    Have you ever worked in the arms or international financial industry?
  40. Apr 21, 2017 at 13:00

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    Surely here's no way he did it JUST for money? I mean I understand that most of us aren't always very bright, but by any standard, trying to blow up a team bus just to make a few extra quid out of a predicted stock price drop is a tremendously stupid plan. If he wanted money, surely just robbing a store would've been a much better option?

    I mean even leaving aside the expertise needed to make a bomb vs robbing someone, he even needed to go through extra effort to throw the investigators off by planting a fake letter to make it seem like an Islamist committed the crime.

    There has to be a more sinister ulterior motive here, right? Or am I misunderstanding his plan? Because this just seems like incredible risk for relatively little reward (I'm not saying €4m isn't a lot of money but it isn't worth facing the consequences of being caught having committed a terrorist attack).