Fabio Capello

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    It's pretty well documented that Harry had no clue about VdV tbh and that it was all Levy on keeping them Modric. And Harry on Adebayor "“Not sure what stage it is at. The chairman is dealing with it.”......yeah.
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    I'd be very surprised if he takes up the job now. Spurs are having a great season so far and have everything to fight for. dont see him taking up additional responsibility.

    Didnt he recently come out with the "england job may bore me" comment recently? Something along those lines , am pretty sure he did.
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    Yes because Chairman make the fecking deals, the manager identifies or ok's it. Ade was identified by Harry.

    VdV was an odd one as we know, no-one expected him to be available at that price, Levy got the call, asked Harry and Harry said YES, otherwise he wouldn't have come.

    And yes, Levy kept Modric, because it's his bloody decision. Harry wanted to keep him but the final say lies with the chairman.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself

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    Seriously Zen is suggesting that Pearce is better than Harry?
    :lol:
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    Do you have any idea how the club works? No manager or DOF is allowed anywhere near finances. They provide a list of players to Levy or in some cases, an individual target. Then Levy goes and talks to the club and then agent if we get a bid accepted. Levy has the ultimate veto in the end.

    Harry confirmed well after his 'Roy of the Rovers' routine on the transfer deadline day that we had actually enquired about VDV early in the window before and didn't want to pay the transfer fee. And he isn't sure what stage Adebayor is at because Levy deals with the finances and negotiations.

    I've heard this kind of schlapp before. All the bad signings are Redknapp's, all the good ones are Levy's. Levy might as well fire Redknapp and hire himself as manager to be honest, he's been fooling us all along. Or maybe bring in Pearce...
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    So do you think he's handled the England captaincy well with Rio/Terry?

    Do you think it was a good decision to take a non fit Gareth Barry to a world cup and then play him in games?

    Do you think it was good man management to end up in a situation half way through the last tournament where the players were threatening to mutiny against him?

    Do you think other managers would have struggled to qualify England from groups where their toughest opponents were barely capable of playing at a semi-professional level (something that previous managers haven't had the luxury of, btw).

    If you still think he's doing a good job at this point I reckon you must just be paying no attention to the job he's actually doing.

    Previous records mean feck all apart from getting you the job in the first place. It doesn't suddenly not become a mistake to keep picking Emile Heskey just because you used to manage Real Madrid.

    Torres had a great record as a striker before he went to Chelsea...must be everyone else making him not look very good now he's there?

    As for getting the best from the players, it depends what you expect of them. There's a very big difference between not being good enough to win a tournament, and making a complete embarassment out of yourselves.
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    Well dunno why Harry lied about knowing nothing then if we have two Spurs staff members here confirming otherwise. Seems like people really think Football Manager is true to life here.....no chairmen and dofs can and do do things without their managers knowledge or backing.
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    2 consecutive tournaments? Feck me. Give him a medal.

    He's doing such a good job that the FA are deliberately undermining him to try and get him to feck off.
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    Don't really want either as England manager. Someone with balls and not being tactically inept will do....Guus Hiddink or something, Jose Mourinho be available in the summer apparently.

    And Redknapps clearly better, but Pearce will cost England less to inevitably think about sacking should they both be taken on now. Redknapp should stay where he's doing fine and has a great relationship with the people above him.
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    Redknapp will be like the reincarnation of Venables. Bring it on I say.
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    Wonder Pigeon 'Shelbourne FC Supporter'

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    Whatever about your other points, this is rubbish noodle. Yes, England should have got out of that group pretty easily but talking about the other teams like that is pretty arrogant.
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    Yes, because England managers generally have such a great record of qualifying for tournaments, right?

    And once again, he has the best win percentage of any England manager in history. But you, in your infinite wisdom, think he is "incompetent."

    You keep right on thinking, Noodle, that's what you're good at.
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    Well Slovenians and Algerians are semi-professional tbh. And the MLS is a retirement home, so might as well be for most of their players.
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    Football manager true to life? One of the silliest arguments used on online arguments now. And hilariously enough, isn't it the manager who conducts deals on football manager? Which..you know, would seem to support your argument and not the people arguing against you?

    And you don't have to be a staff member to read what Redknapp, Jol, Ramos et al have said to the press in the past. Not all of us have Ferguson as a manager, who has earned his ability to wield whatever power he pleases at man utd. Most chairmen are a little more intelligent than that.

    At Spurs, when we had the DoF, we had a comittee that agreed targets and then Levy went out and tried to get them. Now, Levy and Redknapp sit down and and agree on targets. Levy has the final veto and say. Sometimes he mentions players to Redknapp but Redknapp can say no if he wishes.

    And Adebayor was 100% Redknapp's wish ffs, he's been going on about him for ages.
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    it's based on England rolling them over with ease despite consistently playing like a heap of shite themselves.

    Look what happens as soon as England play any team who has a clue.
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    We should just get someone on the cheap. Spend the money we would have spunked on a "big name" England manager on some better grass roots facilities, to get better quality English kids coming through. The amount of money we have spent on England managers has spiralled relentlessly upwards, with absolutely no correlation to performances that I can discern. So feck it, if we can find a patriot with a good CV that is willing to be paid part time wages for a part time job, great - bring him in. If not, get someone with a weaker CV. There must be someone out there that is willing to do it for the love of his country and the sport and the prestige of the job.

    All this rather contradicts my previous post, which was pro Redknapp, and lets face it he isnt going to do it for peanuts. But this is how I felt in the aftermath of the last World Cup and to be honest I still feel that way.

    But in the real world, yes, Redknapp is the right man.
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    The vast majority of Slovenians, Algerians and Americans who played at the 2010 World Cup played for professional European clubs.
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    Are you talking about the qualifying group or the group at the World Cup noods?
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    If England had been paired in a group with a team like Holland or Italy, as they nearly always have been in the past, they would have struggled to qualify. Is this a hard concept to understand?

    Why do you always look at meaningles statistics or "records" instead of paying attention to what's actually going on?
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    "Seems like people really think Football Manager is true to life here"

    Yeah as usual, someone just picking what to read instead of fully reading.

    Rest of it is Spurs bias, I like Harry, he's a decent enough guy if not a bit corrupt, he's just not good enough to be England manager, not even close, and simply won't have Levy to bail him out when shit gets tough.
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    Stuart Pearce? For the love of God... No!
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    Qualifying.

    England only beat one team at the World Cup, and that was Slovenia, by a single goal, in a game England probably didn't deserve to win.
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    Meaningless. :lol:

    Why are you inventing hypothetical bullshit rather than paying attention to what is going on?

    In case it has escaped you, England qualified for the Euros. Easily. And yet you're still moaning about what might have happened if you had been in a different group. It's pathetic.
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    While you could do with paying attention to what actually happened at the World Cup.

    Capello had a shocker before and during the World Cup.
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    Well, I'm sorry, clearly a bit dim today, can you explain the football manager comment to me then? I'm getting old you see.

    Spurs bias? But everyone else who's disagreed with you isn't a Spurs fan and why would my spurs bias

    a) want our manager, who's doing a fecking great job, to leave the club?
    b) make me pick one Spurs figure (Redknapp) over another?

    Funny how Levy didn't manage to bail out Jol or Ramos isn't it? Levy does a great job. Redknapp does a great job. Hence why we're third.
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    England got out of the group stages and lost to a superior team. So what?
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    Wonder Pigeon 'Shelbourne FC Supporter'

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    Out of curiosity, what would people expect from England at the Euros with and without Capello in charge? This isn't a "Ingerlund fans expect to win everything" dig, I'm just wondering how big a difference you expect there to be.
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    They did their best to go out of a piss poor group, nearly managed it, then were absolutely torn to pieces in no small part thanks to Capello's decisions.

    Gareth Barry was unfit, and, well, Gareth Barry, and all over the place.

    He phoned Scholes right before the World Cup while having had an eternity of time to do so beforehand.

    His insistence on playing Emile Heskey.. Well it speaks for itself.

    The goalkeeping debale.. Oh my.

    Just a tournament of poor decisions, and setting England up in that flat 4-4-2 did them no favours.
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    Hypothetical bullshit and stuff that's already happened aren't the same thing. Just to clarify that.

    The only hypothetical I've suggested is that England would struggle to qualify for a tournament if they were put in a group that had a better team than them in it, as they always have done in the past. This is about as basic as hypothetical comes.

    And qualified for the Euros easily? I must have imagined the scarecely deserved draw away to the team who've never qualified for a tournament before which involved England's best player being sent off in frustration?
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    England did what they always do when they make it to major tournaments (barring one occasion).

    Do you think with a different manager they would have gone further?
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    Come on Lancelot. Its about more than how far we progressed and who we lost to. Its the manner of how we performed, the tedium and total and utter ineptitude we had to endure leading up to our exit. If we had played convincingly, comfortably won the group and then been knocked out by Germany (if for example they had stumbled in the qualifying stages and had finished second in their group) we wouldnt be having this conversation. Surely you can see that?
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    All I would hope for is some decent football, nothing more, nothing less.

    My worry with Fabio is that he'll continue to pick Barry because he loves him, and due to Parker's excellent form he will be in too, that then leaves him with a Gerrard problem, and no doubt Gerrard will be shunted to the left or the right. All this will end up with us playing drab boring football again.

    I'm not saying we'd do any better with anyone else, hey, we might even do worse, but my hope is that a new gaffer might just be able to get some decent entertaining football out of our national team.
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    Bastard. You have dredged up some horrible memories there. I had managed to bury that Heskey memory so deep I think I had actually forgotten it.
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    If the U-21 tournament is anything to go by we had better hope he doesn't leave with Pearce taking over.

    Only Pearce could manage a team with Sturridge, Rodwell, Welbeck, Cleverley and Lansbury and get them to play long ball unimaginative football.
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    IF we take all the promising young players, then it could be quite an exciting Euros.

    If as usual we take all the 'golden generation' it will be a flop where we struggle to get out of the groups.
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    Capello should have been sacked after the world cup and they should have started building for 2014, using the Euros as a development tournament.
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    I hope he doesn't wimp out and play the same old players who are proven losers for England like Gerrard, Barry, Lampard and Terry.

    I also think we should aim to get out of our groups and hopefully showcase an ability to pass the ball and keep possession for a bit. Anything else is a bonus.
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    "If England had been in a group with" is hypothetical bullshit.

    So England would have found it tougher in a tougher group? Devastating insight.

    You also must have missed England topping their group without losing a game. Sorry for using more meaningless things like "statistics" and "records."
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    I'm sorry.

    I'm actually Fabio Capello trying to get rid of the job.

    Look, here's photographic evidence:

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    It's too late to save the Euros, but without Capello, I'd expect maybe a credible effort, say quarter finals, and a team based around building for the future. England have lots of promising young players

    With Capello, it'll be the same old guard, same old mistakes, same old poison headlines and a shambles of a performance that will only go beyond the last group game if it's by merit of the ineptitude of other teams...and then he'll feck off after the tournament anyway.

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