Fabio Capello

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    RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin

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    Never picking Carrick and sticking with Lampard/Milner/Barry is simply ridiculouls. Not to mention actually picking Walcott/SWP and bringing Heskey to a World Cup. Let me repeat - Capello picked HESKEY FOR THE WORLD CUP.

    That's unforgiveable. Yes the players who played at the last World Cup played terribly (Terry, Rooney, Lampard) but the selection was laughable.

    Carrick has gotten a lot of good press in Italy and it is really baffling that one of the best holding players in Europe can't get a game for England.

    Carrick is classy and is tailor-made for Champions League and International football with his positional discipline, passing ability, and defensive qualities.
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    gza the genius Full Member

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    I'd have definitely gone with Carrick over Barry or Milner at the very least.
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself

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    Capello should have taken Johnson, Bent and Hart instead of Wright Phillips, Heskey and Green. That would've made a difference IMO as three of them even at that time were superior in their position.
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    Varun Wants the D...

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    Think you're confusing their current form to how they were at the time of the WC here robo. Barry over carrick made sense then. so did not having richards as he wasnt even close to being the player he is now. ditto about the likes of welbeck sturridge etc.

    Gerrard and lampard had to be there then with barry. add rooney and thats 4 out of 6. the only thing was to pick the other 2. he messed up there imo trying to play the traditional 4-4-2 and ending up with the likes of heskey and defoe who shouldnt be anywhere near the squad let alone the starting 11 in a WC.
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    adexkola American Arse

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    Carrick didn't merit selection back then. Who knew that he would have a storming season 2 years later eh?
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    Lance Uppercut Loves turn based games

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    Show me where I said:

    I didn't. You are a liar.

    So you don't think he was incompetent?

    Or do you?


    I never said that he did a good job at the World Cup. Are you being intentionally dense?

    Seriously, hand it in. No one will even notice.


    I didn't say that nobody cares. Why do you have to continually lie?

    Source?


    I understand perfectly what he means. You started to, then confused yourself. Again.


    If you are going to say stupid shit on a public forum, expect to be called out on it. Maybe a blog is more your thing? Hey, why don't YOU put me on ignore? Everybody wins.

    Anyway, I will take the initiative and ignore you from here on in, for the good of the board, and the multi quote function.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    England results under Capello so far:

    Code:
    H	2	1	win	Friendly	Switzerland
    A	0	1	loss	Friendly	France
    H	2	0	win	Friendly	USA
    A	3	0	win	Friendly	Trinidad & Tobago
    H	2	2	draw	Friendly	Czech Republic
    A	2	0	win	WC Qualifying	Andorra
    A	4	1	win	WC Qualifying	Croatia
    H	5	1	win	WC Qualifying	Kazakhstan
    A	3	1	win	WC Qualifying	Belarus
    A	2	1	win	Friendly	Germany
    A	0	2	loss	Friendly	Spain
    H	4	0	win	Friendly	Slovakia
    H	2	1	win	WC Qualifying	Ukraine
    A	4	0	win	WC Qualifying	Kazakhstan
    H	6	0	win	WC Qualifying	Andorra
    A	2	2	draw	Friendly	Holland
    H	2	1	win	Friendly	Slovenia
    H	5	1	win	WC Qualifyingif	Croatia
    A	0	1	loss	WC Qualifyingif	Ukraine
    H	3	0	win	WC Qualifying	Belarus
    N	0	1	loss	Friendly	Brazil
    H	3	1	win	Friendly	Egypt
    H	3	1	win	Friendly	Mexico
    N	2	1	win	Friendly	Japan
    N	1	1	draw	World Cup, 2010	USA
    N	0	0	draw	World Cup, 2010	Algeria
    N	1	0	win	World Cup, 2010	Slovenia
    N	1	4	loss	World Cup, 2010	Germany
    H	2	1	win	Friendly	Hungary
    H	4	0	win	EC Qualifying	Bulgaria
    A	3	1	win	EC Qualifying	Switzerland
    H	0	0	draw	EC Qualifying	Montenegro
    H	1	2	loss	Friendly	France
    A	2	1	win	Friendly	Denmark
    A	2	0	win	EC Qualifying	Wales
    H	1	1	draw	Friendly	Ghana
    H	2	2	draw	EC Qualifying	Switzerland
    H	0	0	draw	Friendly	Holland
    A	3	0	win	EC Qualifying	Bulgaria
    H	1	0	win	EC Qualifying	Wales
    A	2	2	draw	EC Qualifying	Montenegro
    H	1	0	win	Friendly	Spain
    H	1	0	win	Friendly	Sweden

    I hope that format is alright.

    EnglandFC View Match Details
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    RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin

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    It may sound incredibly United biased, but more United players need to be selected.

    Cohesion and familiarity are so important for a short tournament.

    Look at Spain - most of the team come from Barca with a little Real Madrid in there.

    I really hope to see Rooney, Welbeck, Cleverly, Carrick, Young and Scholes in the summer.

    That's a really nice chunk of the team that are all familiar with each other and have built up some chemistry throughout the year.

    Germany and Spain always look like a proper team. I think it's this way because the player that are selected play with each other regularly.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    James was past it, Defoe never was it and 442 went out with the ark.
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    Carl has permanently erect nipples

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    That was my biggest grievance with Capello.

    Not so much the squad selected but the way he lined the team up.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    I agree with Gaza, In my opinion Carrick did deserve to be in the team. I love Carrick, maybe I'm blinded by that but his contribution was ridiculously undervalued back then. In my opinion Carrick's fantastic form and "cannot be dropped" status has been since the summer of 2009, before that Fletcher and Scholes where probably ahead of him, but since then Carrick has always been in the number 2, because of how good he makes the guy next to him. Perfect for Frank.

    I agree with you there Varun. Defoe or Bent did seem to me to be the best choices the partner Rooney, but I'd have given my left leg for him to break away from 4-4-2. If Gerrard wanted to play, he could have been off the striker as he was with Torres for quite a while.
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    gza the genius Full Member

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    Even back then I would have had Carrick over Barry. Even with Carrick not playing as well as he is now he still would have provided a lot of stability to that midfield and would've been a fantastic partner for Lampard/Gerrard or whoever.
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    adexkola American Arse

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    Out of that list, only Rooney and Carrick are dead certs. Welbeck and Cleverly are definitely going to be future England starters, but I don't see it now. Young has been meh this season, and would Scholes really want to play on the international stage? He's already turned down Capello once. You forgot to mention Smalling, he has to go to the Euros. Jones is also a future starter.

    It helps when international players play for the same club side, but that shouldn't be a main criteria for selection.
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    I think Adam Johnson not going was a mistake since he was keeping SWP out of the City team and yet SWP went last world cup.

    Calling Carragher and getting his assistant to try and call Scholes back and giving him like 2 minutes to decide were mistakes.

    Joe Hart was in the inform keeper and Green got relegated and was conceding so many goals yet Green started and then was replaced immediately by James which was bizarre.

    Didnt Capello say he was sweating over Barrys fitness? Barry? Gareth fcukin Barry...
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    noodlehair "It's like..."

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    Hang on, this is a change of stance from claiming you'd already gone over it in this thread (which it turned out you hadn't).

    Instead of dodging the issue, you can answer the question. Since you've decided to be a complete tit and go all e-warrior over it.

    Why do you think Capello didn't do a bad job at the last world cup?

    Choices:
    a) answer the question
    b) admit you can't and yield with the barrage of twattery
    c) banned for telling me to "go feck myself" because you can't be a grown up on an internet forum

    Rio:
    Fabio: Ferdinand snubbed me! | The Sun |Sport|Football

    I have no idea why I've had to go and dig out an article to prove something to you which you already know happened.
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    Varun Wants the D...

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    Well, i'l have to disagree then. Barry over Carrick back then made sense to me. Carrick wasnt in the best of form and looked short on confidence. Barry gave them the stability that the team needed.

    The main problem was the ridiculous attempt to play the 4-4-2 when clearly well short of a quality 2nd striker to partner rooney. he should have just played rooney up top on his own with gerrard behind him.

    Things have changed now though. would love to see either of these depending on the opposition.

    ---------Carrick------Parker---

    Sturridge------Gerrard--------Young

    --------------Rooney-----

    .......................OR...............

    ----------Carrick------Parker-----

    Sturridge-------Rooney----------Young

    ---------------Welbeck------
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    gza the genius Full Member

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    Personally I'd be starting Welbeck with Rooney up top now. Id have Carrick and Smalling starting as well. Cleverley shouldn't be a starter but if he can stay fit the rest of the season and begin playing as well as he started out he should definitely be in the squad, with Jones and Young part of the squad too.

    I'd also leave Lampard and one of Milner/Barry out of the squad completely. Possibly Gerrard if Wilshere can get fit before then and play some games for Arsenal.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    I don't think Carrick has the quality to partner Parker alone. Carrick-Parker and someone else might work well.

    Actually I take that back, Carrick-Parker might be the exact tonic England need. They can win the balls back and distribute the play to the wingers instead of the madness that has been happening.
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    He sweated on Barry because some of the better pre-tournament performances featured Barry behind Lampard and Gerrard - playing him appeared to give the side balance and even appeared to have solved the issue of playing Lampard and Gerrard alongside each other. At the time, before Parker's rise, he really didn't have much alternative with Carrick's indifferent form and Hargreave's injury.

    As for Heskey, Rooney seemed to like playing with him and it freed him up to play in an area he was dangerous in with Heskey in front. The alternatives were, frankly, just as bad at the time.

    I can't believe someone criticised him here for not taking Welbeck in 2010 - he was nowhere near ready...

    The good thing about 2012 is that a lot of the weaknesses have addressed themselves, whoever manages the side.

    Hart has emerged from the mess of rotating Green and James, there's massive competition at right back, Welbeck or Sturridge could partner Rooney, and there's plenty of younger options to replace Lampard.

    There's also easy pickings if he wants to pick an exciting wild card - Oxlade Chamberlain being the easy one.
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    Carrick
    Cleverley Wilshere​

    :drool: Now that's a midfield trident I'd love to see England use.
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    Varun Wants the D...

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    Exactly. both of them would provide brilliant solidity and allow the front 4 to play their game. also, what both offer going forward is underrate i feel. neither of them are a mascherano tbh, both are good passers of the ball.
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    Steev Full Member

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    Nah - you're thinking of "2 by 2"
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    I suspect that the F.A are chatting to him regarding the Terry incident and the fact that he came out in the press and said that he doesn't agree with him being stripped of the captaincy. He needs a good sitting down the dumb feck
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    RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin

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    Bent, Crouch and Zamora can all do what Heskey does and score. Heskey has the worst shooting technique I have ever seen. His selection was embarrassing, end of.
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    Lance Uppercut Loves turn based games

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    I was happy to ignore you, but since you have brought banning into it, very well.

    Post 87. You lose.

    Great call there with an article from The Sun featuring zero quotes from Rio. I am now convinced that Capello destroyed him mentally.

    Now, do you want to continue this or can I go back to ignoring you?
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    adexkola American Arse

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    Calling gaz Gaza tickled me :lol:

    So these are 2 threads about Carrick, one leading up to the world cup, one after it. Skimming through it you see he had very patchy seasons, where he'd play out his skin one game, then wilt for the next 2. I think he should have gone to South Africa, just because of his discipline and defensive work off the ball, but I can't blame Capello for selecting Barry ahead of him. Now if he was to do that come June...

    http://www.redcafe.net/f6/carrick-291555/

    http://www.redcafe.net/f6/carrick-carrick-wherefore-art-thou-michael-carrick-307230/
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    Ok. Nice discussion, cheers. I'll remember in future that your opinion outweighs that of Martin O'Neill, Fabio Capello, Terry Venables, Kevin Keegan, Sven Goran Eriksson and Gerard Houllier, all of whom saw fit to pick Emile Heskey.

    Oh, and Michael Owen and Wayne Rooney, both of whom singled him out as their preferred playing partner for England.
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    Resigned. Wtf
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    Capello resigns.

    Just heard that on 5 Live...
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    Wow
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    Resigned! :lol:
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    Will surely be Harry in a dual role now till the end of the season.
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    Varun Wants the D...

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    I'd laugh my ass off if they actually replace him with Stuart Pearce. That'd be both the short and long term fecked over.
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    adexkola American Arse

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    I just want the next coach to start anew with this England squad, clear out all the deadwood
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    Varun Wants the D...

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    I'd be surprised if harry took over at this stage.
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    peterstorey Specialist In Failure

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    Harry goes from the Scrubs to Soho Square in an afternoon.
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