Fabio Da Silva

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  1. Apr 16, 2012

    Wittmann45 Full Member

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    From the official site, it appears Owen, Gibson, Diouf, PIG, and Macheda's were all registered in our squad.

    Edit: just read an article where they said they live together in Manchester with their family. It seems they have rarely been apart.
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    friendlytramp More full of crap than a curry house toilet

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-for-20m-plus-Fabio-and-Federico-Macheda.html


    And so my march towards a more suitable tag line begins. This is just the first step on my journey towards vindication.
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    noodlehair "It's like..."

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    So we're just going to have Evra and Rafael as the only two people in our squad who can play at fullback?

    Can't see anything going wrong there at all.

    Instead of sending him on loan why not just play him more often? Instead of forcing Evra to play every minute of every game, or using centrebacks at fullback whenever Rafael gets injured?
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself

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    I'm guessing that Nathaniel Clyne who can play right/left back will also be used quite often. Obviously it's all rumors right now but I get a feeling that Clyne is already signed with us.
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    So he has played already over 50 games for us and has started a Champions League final against Barca 11 months ago but now he needs a loan move for his future career at Old Trafford..........football is sometimes wierd.

    The press says Benfica wants him...........i've heard Sporting are the more likely option.

    Evra and the left-back position
    Evra has no competition for his place since a couple of years.......that's a major reason why he isn't so good anymore.

    We're needing 100% a new LB for the next season.

    2012-2013 defenders
    RB: Rafael, ??Clyne!!
    CB: Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling, Jones
    LB: Evra, ?????

    Loan: Fabio, Fryers (If he signs the contract)

    Both aren't ready for first-team for Manchester United.
    Fryers should go on loan next season.

    According to a lot of Crystal Palace fans......Clyne to us is a done deal.

    They're doing everything together..........it will be a big test for both (unless he goes to a club not far away from Manchester).

    That's true.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin)

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    Exactly. When Rafael is out I'd prefer to play Fabio there as he has played there for us before (quite a few times last season in fact) and I thought he did a good job. There have been some games Evra has played - both this season and last - when Fabio was fit and I wonder why he's been chosen to start instead of Fabio. Give Evra a rest once in a while.
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    Crustanoid Full Member

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    Hmmmm this is not always the best course of action. Absolutely vital he doesn't go to a piss-taking club.
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    noodlehair "It's like..."

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    Evra's been burnt out since before the end of last season, while every other player in the squad seems to require about 3 people as back up, despite most of them being younger than Evra. I really don't understand it. Even if he has amazing stamina it wouldn't do any harm to rest him for the odd game.

    It's not like Fabio's useless. He's also a better right sided fullback than eitherJones or Smalling. He was good enough to start the Champions League final there less than a year ago. Why send him out on loan when we would be better off as a team by playing him?
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin)

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    Yep. It doesn't make sense, though with the Gaitan and Clyne rumours it does make a bit more sense. I'd still prefer that we keep him and play him more rather than send him on loan - especially if it is to another country like Benfica. I'd prefer to loan him to a Premier League club.
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    Escobar Poster originally known as Michel04

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    I'd prefer him to get some games here and give Evra some competition
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    You're all forgetting Ritchie de Laet, he can play LB :nervous:
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    noodlehair "It's like..."

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    I don't know who Clyne is. There's nothing wrong or not good enough about Fabio. Spending money on someone else and then sending him on loan just makes it make even less sense.

    It's like doing your weekly shopping twice just so you can toss the first lot in the bin.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin)

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    Nathaniel Clyne is a right back for Crystal Palace who has played left back a few times - usually when he's played for England. If it does happen then it might be better than bringing in a specialised left back as it would be another person blocking Fabio's route into the first team. If we do get Clyne then I can see him being a direct back up for Rafael but also has a chance of playing on the left when we want to give Evra a rest - which is seemingly not that often. I'd much prefer to keep hold of Fabio who is a left back than do that but when the alternative is bringing in another specialised left back I'd prefer the option where we bring in Clyne and when Fabio does return he may have a greater chance of playing more and making a case for that left back spot - which I think he can do and has done already. Like you say it's not that he's not good enough, for some reason Fergie prefers to play Evra every minute.

    Nice analogy.
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    Rafael and Fabio both are among the most promising young full backs in the world and should really be playing football a lot at the top level now. Rafael is, but Fabio maybe doesn't quite get as much time because of Evra. I'm just worried this is going to lead to Fabio leaving - we should really be giving him more game time as the only better option is him going to one of the very few other top European clubs on loan.
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    People are talking about giving Fabio some games instead of Evra or when Rafael is injured. I'm sure Fergie planned that as well THIS SEASON, but it just hasn't happened. Between Fabio's injuries and our rather quick exists from cup competitions and clearing of the schedule, meaning that as the season went on (and that's when Fabio was fit) there was less and less reason to rest Evra and every reason to start him rather than make changes in the back four during the title run in.

    It'll be easy to figure out that it'll just happen next season, but it might not. And then we've got a great talent whose career has stalled. It takes a brave decision to loan him out, but it's the right one and Fergie usually does that when he feels he just cannot be certain a young player will get enough games with us. We've seen in the past how he avoided recalling players who were loaned out just to fill in for a while, knowing that when injured players are back, the young ones will be stuck in reserves again.

    It's the right move. I've no idea how we plan to handle it next season with another left back, but it's the best way to give Fabio a chance to make it at the top level.
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    I was about to flip a shit but then read it was a loan.
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    marjen Desperately wants to be like Noodle

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    Don't get me wrong, a loan might work out fine, he needs a run of games to realize his potential.

    But I'm with noodles, we've had every chance to give Fabio a lot of game time this season, and he's not really performed poorly when he's got the chance.
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    Between his injuries, Jones's fantastic form at right back early on in the season, the early exists from cup competitions and the fact that Evra's experience in a sometimes very young back four meant it was always hard to drop him, I just don't agree.

    Anyhow, the bottom line remains. The season is ending, we haven't given him a lot of game time and we're not willing to risk it happening again, for the sake of both the lad and the team long term. What's the problem here?
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    marjen Desperately wants to be like Noodle

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    The fact that we're not going to have any full-back cover next season, despite the fact that we have a perfectly adequate full-back, who we, for some reason or another, refuse to play? I think that's the problem really.

    Evra's not performed well enough for him to be untouchable these last two seasons, and Rafael's been injured quite a lot. And Jones has never been in "fantastic" form at RB, he was quite good with a lot of gung-ho stuff early on in the season. Fabio is by far the better full-back. That goes for Smalling as well.
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    elmo Can never have too many Eevees

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    If Vidic didn't get injured, Evra would probably be rested more often and Fabio would play more.

    Unfortunately for him, Vidic got injured and Smalling/Jones played at RB when Rafael was out because Fabio wasn't fit.
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    Fergie's treatment of Fabio is inexplicable. What part of 'identical twin' does he not understand?
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    Are you saying since they are identical twins, they'd have identical ability?

    Fabio has unfortunately had more injuries which has hampered his development on top of fighting for a spot against a player who for last several years was one of the best in the world in his position.

    Strange comment to say the least.
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    I am positive about this deal. Evra has been showing signs of decline for quite some time, so sending Fabio on loan to gain the experience needed to become a United first teamer is ideal. However, we still need to think about getting some cover for the left back role, someone who can cover Evra for the time being and compete with Fabio once his return.
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    Dont think he was serious there Shimo.
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    Problem with sticking Fabio on loan is that we know he'll get injured early and often - which is something we're more likely to be okay with than a loaning team that need him to perform consistently.

    Personally if he does go on loan, I see him getting re-discovered as a wide midfield player at a midtable club. He has more ability than most who play there for those types of teams, and will contribute more up the field.
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    Oops ... my interwebs sarcasm meter failed me, calling tech support !!!
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Just saw that article. I can't be dealing with letting Fabio go. That's just unacceptable in my head.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Can't we just play Evra in the biggest games, games against top 6 and the Champions League games. If Fabio is fit enough to go on a season long loan deal then why can't he get first team football?

    Evra could use a break, Fabio could use games. If we get 5% less points next year because of it, hopefully we will get 5% more points the year after.
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    Yep. The outcome of tests of physical and mental attributes, done on identical twins reared together, are equivalent to the results of the same person taking the tests at different times. As expected, since the 2 significant causes of variation - genetics and environment - do not differ.

    Fab and Raf are essentially the same person, raised in the same house, and getting the same football education. Their football experience has diverged slightly in recent years, but they should have exactly the same potential.
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    We'll have to see what we do about left back cover for next season. I'm sure we've got some idea and we're not just going to let it stay as it is, with no real backup for Evra. If Benfica give Fabio a full season of football, we'll reap the benefits eventually. Better than risk another partial season at best at United.

    Evra has not been brilliant, but with question marks over goalkeeper and constant changes at centerhalf and right back, left back was the one position we had stability with. It was important. I actually do think Jones was fantastic at right back and yes, his ability going forward was part of it and remained far after our gung-ho approach disappeared in mid-March.
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    Oh you were being serious. Reality is identical twins don't necessarily pan out exactly the same because life isn't identical. In fact when they arrived here the thought was their lives in football so far had Fabio as the one with the more potential.

    Nonetheless your questioning of SAF's ability to understand that they are identical twins and thus have the same ability and as such his treatment of Fabio is absurd doesn't make sense. If anything it's him recognizing he has a player with a lot of ability but, the only way to get him to improve is for him to get games, a lot of games, and that will require a loan spell.
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    Although I have no idea of Benfica's transfer plans in the summer, this loan move looks as bad as Macheda to QPR. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't loan moves made to get the player plenty of playing time? Benfica already have Capdevilla and Perriera as fullbacks, plus they have the wonderful knack of producing good young South American talent, whom they'd be more obliged to develop than someone on loan.

    If we sign Nathaniel Clyne, that is all well and good, but shouldn't he be the one going on loan considering he's never played at this level before, instead of a player who's played in a Champions League final?
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    Thing is, Clyne could also benefit from the odd appearance in the PL and training with a club like United every day. Fabio is beyond that, he needs games.
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    Unless he keeps having problems with injuries, I have little doubt he'll grab a first-team place at leftback. Maxi Pereira is solid on the right but at the left Benfica has just been atrocious after losing Coentrão. They went for Emerson, a terrible player, and Capdevilla, who the manager for some reason disliked and didn't even put him up on the Champions League squad.

    I have serious doubts that Capdevilla stays another season at Benfica, and even if he does I think Fabio is a much better option at the moment.
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    Good point. If Macheda goes there on loan there's almost no chance of him being first choice. It then comes down to whether him playing 15-20 games at that level with possible CL involvement is worth it.
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    We don't know what Fabio himself has said though do we? For all we know he's demanded a chance to prove himself week in and week out in a first team somewhere himself.
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    Am not getting this at all. AT ALL. He was great last year, have been dying to see more of him this year and we clearly need some cover at left back. He's attack-minded but never seemed to me to be as rash as his brother. Don't understand the thinking. Wonder how he's taking it himself?
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    Agree with Amir. We've not managed to give Fabio enough games for him to progress. As it is, Evra is better than him so apart from the odd game he won't play much. It's much better to have him get guaranteed games so he can progress. Sure I'd rather him stay here and play for us but it's less of a risk loaning him out to a team who'll play him whenever he's available. Here he's not guaranteed to start and his development could be hampered. If the loan goes well he'll have improved and displace Evra and whoever we have as LB next season just like Rafael did. Rafael got plenty of games hence why he's our #1 RB. Loaning him is the best chance of that for Fabio.
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    If Fabio can keep fit, I don't think we need to send him on loan. I think he could get a lot more playing time here, as I doubt Evra's going to be able to play every game, even if he's made a pretty good go at it before.
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    I've said this before but I don't think Fergie sees Fabio as the long term answer at left back. It's important that we have a naturally left footed left back given that Young and Nani both cut inside an awful lot when they start on that side of the pitch.

    There were always going to be a couple of surprise departures given the number of players who have to be named in the 25 man squad next season and Fabio is numero uno.
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