Fellaini | Gone

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  1. Jan 31, 2019

    UncleBob Full Member

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    I'm going to assume it's because of two things:

    He reckons he'll be getting limited time on the pitch under Ole and the club is more than happy to allow him to leave because he's not highly rated.
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    IrishRedDevil Full Member

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    A parting stat:

    Marouane Fellaini scored in the semi-final of each major competition Manchester United have won since Sir Alex Ferguson retired:

    ⚽️ vs. Everton (FA Cup)
    ⚽️ vs. Hull (League Cup)
    ⚽️ vs. Celta Vigo (Europa League)
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    Untied Full Member

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    Ahh I remember when the Caf was so desperate for us to sign a central midfielder that people were genuinely suggesting Charlie Adam as an option Good times.
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    Miscemayl Full Member

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    Is this official?
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    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    Those corners alone....... :drool:
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    stevoc Full Member

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    And Solskjær has won it!
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    Miscemayl Full Member

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    Google it mate.
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    It's B Rubble New Member

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    Thank you, sir.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    Its difficult to say whether Darmian has been loyal or not simply because he is the epitome of a non entity. You barely ever notice him on or off the pitch. Fellaini is limited, very limited, but to his credit he's also a fighter, something Darmian is not. Anyway I would be surprised if Rojo and Darmian would still be here after next summer.

    You're also making it sound that Fellaini was wanted to OT or that he was never at any risk of leaving which isn't the case. So lets go through his career with us. We signed Fellaini on deadline day and on a higher fee then to what we could have paid for just few weeks before simply because Moyes persisted in bringing in Fabregas. Even when we became interested in him it was initially part of a package deal with Baines which Moyes threw a ridiculously low combined fee for. It was evident that we only signed Fellaini at the very last minute of deadline day because Moyes preferred signing someone then no one.

    When LVG joined the club he placed Fellaini on the transfer list. Unfortunately no one wanted to sign him up on a permanent deal so he remained. LVG's inability to understand EPL football meant that he reduced to squad size to the bare bones. Which meant that once injuries started coming in he needed all hands in deck especially since it conceded at a time when he was losing the dressing room. Fellaini's loyalty to his manager became valuable at a time when loyalty became scarce and the team was clearly working against the manager.

    Fellaini fell way down the pecking order under Mourinho as he was busy buying new CMs. However as the manager starting losing the dressing room, Fellaini's high tolerance to BS + Mou's inability to come out with a half decent plan B meant that Fellaini became valuable again. Mou would just throw him upfront, let the team spray him with crosses and hope for the best. Not to forget that he became his beating stick towards the likes of Martial and Pogba. However that doesn't mean every one at the club wanted him. It took us ages to renew his contract and once his protector was out, he is being shown the door.

    So seriously Fellaini survived that long because

    a- no one was willing to match United's salary. That still applied even when the fee wasn't an issue anymore
    b- his attitude of just go there and do the job irrespective of how he's treated or how the team is performing was valued greatly by three of the worst man managers there were in the EPL history.

    Finally, if you think that winning just the FA cup is great for a top club who spent 400m in transfers and has the 3rd/4th highest salary bill in football then you're deluded.
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    They could match it if no fee is involved (since he was a free agent at a time)
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Good one. He played good role in all the 3 trophies we won after SAF and also during that run of few games under Van Gaal.
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    Galactic Incorrigible pest

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    To be honest, I thought it was a great buy when it happened. He was a real handful for oppositions while he was at Everton. It would have been much better if we have gotten Baines though. Imagine those quality crosses coming in for him to attack. We had no one who could send even one bloody decent cross.
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    Bobcat Full Member

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    Yeah, that always confused me as well. I remember when we played Everton he was always a menace when played in that position and in that system. I think Fellaini has the skill set to be the most important player in a smaller club, but the possession based system that most top clubs play simply does not suit him.

    I kinda feel bad for him, he played here under three hopeless managers and when we finally look to turn the ship hes leaving. Also the fact that Moyes fecked up his transfer and paid to much for him gave him a worse start here than needed. Been a good servant though and i wish him well
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    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    I do believe Fellaini has an attitude but not the way you see it. Fellaini knows he's too limited to be playing football at this highest level. However he would do anything to be paid as much money as possible for the longest period of time possible That was evident when he remained loyal to Moyes, LVG and Mou when no one did, why he tried to exploit his free agent status even though the manager adored him, why he swallowed his pride and returned to OT when that plan didn't work and why he's now moving to China when he could probably move to somewhere better if he agreed to a massive pay cut. Don't think for a second that such motivation isn't enough for someone to work hard. I've seen people who literally fell at work with exhaustion because of their greed for money.

    The rest I explained it in the previous post. I also don't understand the hype around Belgium tbh. Sure there have/had 3 top players in Kompany, De Bruyne and Hazard but these players were never in direct competition with Fellaini. His competition for most of the time were Witsel (who moved to China at one point when he could stay in Europe, that speaks volumes of his attitude right?) and Nainggolan whose basically a mad dog prone to press the self destruction button on his career at any time.
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    Raees Legal Guardian of the Football forums

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    Good servant for United and was treated poorly by fans during his time here. Having said that he never quite suited the club and it is a statement to the world we are leaving behind the ugly football and rediscovering our mojo. So good luck in the future Fele.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Yeah, it's sort of making the statement. Few months back, it looked like Fellaini will play big role and Martial will be sold, now Martial signed 6 year contract and Fellaini is gone.
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    ice-bionic red Full Member

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    Very happy he’s gone. Couldn’t believe Jose resigned him to a new deal!

    Never a player for our club. Glad we can both move on
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    It was really not his fault we used him in panic mode or when we ran out of ideas in attack or that we bought him in he 1st place. As someone said here he was the best when playing forward causing havoc in opponent defense but usually it was even we needed a goal or were chasing a result.
    I think he got too much hate here for a guy who really always had heart on his sleeve.
    Saying all that it really shows a new direction in which the club is going and its exciting.
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    Another factor, slightly ignored, is our wage bill & the players wishes. If Fellaini was on "10 minute plan B" option type wages, then I'd guess the club wouldn't mind having him around - not to mention the fact that the player, himself, probably would have liked to feel a bit more love or more importance than a simple plan B.

    But all of the best to him. His attitude and dedication was never in question.
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    RedRazor on the radio

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    He did a great job on the odd occasion, and that's the problem. Never have I known a player be bought on a sub with the job of shoring up and protecting a lead leave me so nervous. He has probably cost us as many points as he saved us, with his lack of anticipation and vision.
    Reminds me of a big lumbering dog at the park. He'll fetch the ball on instruction, but what he does with it is anybodies guess. Good luck to him, but I'm not sad to see him go.
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    stevoc Full Member

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    Definitely i agree mate, has to be a factor under Ole or any manager who want's to play similar he would only be useful for defending high balls in his own box or for going route one in the oppositions box late in games. We can use a tall defender for that role and pay them less than the £100k Fellaini is supposedly on.

    Also he's too good a player for such a limited role, he doesn't suit the type of football the majority of us want to see. But he isn't a bad player, he can go somewhere like china and have a team built around him.
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    100%. Or we could have signed Crouch on a quarter of those wages :drool:
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    Absolutely this, he was on a comfortable contract and would not be obliged to move unless he actually wanted to go. Even if Ole didn't rate him he might hang on to see who the next manager is if his only wish was to make it at united.

    Also I am sure he could have signed for a decent premier league team or a European team playing in the champions league if that was his motivation but he specifically chose China so i do think he goes willingly.
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    Yeah, it does seem to be the case/make sense. I've also just checked the press conference thread and Ole mentioned that he's had lots of good chats with Fellaini. So I guess Fellaini wasn't happy with his limited role at the club.

    I think he chose China, ultimately for both the money, a new culture and (obviously) playing time. But, probably more the money. Who can blame him? He's nearing the final stretch of his career and he can always try and come back and end his career off in Europe, if he chooses.
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    You seem to have a very crude and simplistic model of human motivation. All players are to a degree wanting to get the best possible economical terms throughout their careers. And I don’t judge them for it. However, that’s only part of what drives them. You don’t need to know much about Marouane Fellaini to know that your ‘profile’ of him is a hopelessly shallow and skewed portrait.

    Often it is the case that people’s assumptions about how others think and feel, tells volumes about themselves.
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    Actually its based from my experience in working with people in HR and beyond. There are few reasons why a player would move to china apart from the money especially since this motivation is consistent to the decisions taken by him through time
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    As a starter in a more or less standard midfield capacity (DM-CM range), Fellaini has been mediocre for United, I don't see how anyone can deny that. Not quite as useless as his harshest critics claim, obviously, but that seems beside the point if the question is whether he's worth keeping on the books. You don't go from "he isn't a pub player" to "let's give him a testemonial".

    One has to look at his performances as a specialist, then. He has contributed to results here and there, undoubtedly, both as an offensive and a defensive impact sub. But he's hardly done so to any remarkable degree. The question isn't whether he can, potentially, be of use in a given match scenario - but, again, whether it makes sense to retain his services.

    The "everyone can use a hoof target" argument certainly makes no sense. We used to send Schmeichel up into the box as a desperate measure, and he even scored once, but that's no argument for hanging on to a player whose standout qualities are mostly useful in a scenario which a top team should be able to avoid most of the time. If you need a hoof target, you use whoever is most suitable (see the Pique example above), you don't pay an otherwise utterly replaceable player top coin in order to sit on the bench as a permanent "Plan B".

    At least not when the player in question isn't remarkably, uncommonly effective in said capacity.
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    Which is a great indicator of why sacking Mourinho was the best thing that happened to the club in quite some time.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Without a doubt. He was on his knees begging Fellaini to stay.
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    Based Adnan New Member

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    So happy he's finally leaving

    Will never quite understand the 'but 3 managers have all used him' point made in support for Fellaini as if those 3 managers weren't absolute failures.
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    Well said mate, under Mourinho given his brand of football it made sense to keep him. But now it doesn't make sense on any level just for an expensive plan B and as you pointed out he isn't nearly as effective in that role as some like to believe. I'm not convinced for example that someone like Smalling would have been any less productive in the same role the last few years. Smalling has 15 goals during Fellaini's time at the club in which time Fellaini has scored 22.
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    If I was a player like him in this situation, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Earn a filthy amount of money in combination with the adventure of being a star in China, being flown all over the place while living like a king. It would be an amazing live experience. Live is short, why not make the most of it. Good for him he does.
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    RedRonaldo Full Member

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    Good for him, good for us. Bye Felicia. I mean Felliani.
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    And he's gone.
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    Confirmed. Is this the start of a new era for us?
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    Best of luck to the human chimney sweep. Felt sorry for him, decent man.
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    It's done.
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    Cracking open a beer in celebration, cheers lads!
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