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    moses control

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    No. But that's the nature of the beast. The game is not solely reported these days. It is gleaned for the best story.

    United Beat QPR - zzzzzzzzzz

    United gifted win at Old Trafford - Conspiracy!

    They don't even have to say anything, just bang on about one injustice and the story has legs

    Wigan blow wide open Title race! is much sexier than 'Big Clubs get bad decsions too.'

    Factoring in media reaction to football analysis skews the debate away from reality and sobriety.
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    Yep fair enough

    Cant complain after the fulham game, whatever about the QPR game ( which im sure we would have won anyway )
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Not every talking point needs to be in the context of a game where we were the better side.
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    Totally, us being poor is totally seperate from the decisions being poor.
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    What's this 'we deserved to lose so don't blame the decisions?' shit

    QPR deserved to lose
    Fulham deserved to lose

    Point is is people do not pay one bit of attention when something goes against us, but they'll gladly pick up incidents that happened 5 seasons ago to point out some ridiculous bias
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    You can see why everyone thinks we get all the decisions in our favour.

    When we have a poor decision against us we either:

    1) Win, so everyone forgets about it or;

    2) Lose, in which case we probably didn't play very well and it's glossed over with statements like "the other team deserved to win it though".

    And why are some people obsessed with the team taking all the blame? Why are some people obsessed with needing to find someone to blame anyway? Things happen.
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    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

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    That was the clearest 'handball' penalty I've seen this season.

    The ball comes from miles away, his arms are out, and it clearly bounces of his left forearm taking a basketball type bounce.

    Penalty all day long.
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    Correct. I just feel this thread is a little reactionary with a splash of bitter.

    I don't think the decision was pivotal in the outcome. We lost and we deserved to lose.

    The decision won't get huge press, though, I agree.
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    Heck. They had a good goal disallowed...and we have won games through dodgy decisions.

    very bad day at the office.

    Fergie will refocus the team.

    the next match will be here soon enough.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    I'm always reactionary and definitely bitter. Mea culpa.
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    In a perverse way, it's not that bad to have decisions go against us - not when we've had them go our way during the course of a season. It helps shut up those who say the refs are biased or bribed, blah blah.
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    Well you are Irish.
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    Aye but only if they get the press. Like the Newcastle pen v us was worse than any single call we got, but is rarely cited.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    It evens out over the course of a season.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Not always true but, by my reckoning, this is one season where we've got exactly the same amount of crap decisions for and against us.

    Not that you'd realise this from the media coverage.
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    Agreed. Decisions don't really matter on the whole - the best team will always win the league.

    Football is a game of 90 minutes, and we didn't do enough.
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    rcoobc Not as crap as eferyone thinks

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    Yeah it does seem that way. I think we're still pretty high up that "real premier league table" for points we should have got.
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    With the way Wigan were robbed against Chelsea and our game against QPR, this was bound to happen.
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    Nah, we played a massive part in that loss.
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    The funny this is we didn't need the luck against QPR, we did need it today.

    No excuses, we where shite, but everyone will just remember the QPR penalty and forget today, without context for both matches. Although the QPR penalty did effectively end the game.
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    Why is discussing a referee's performance always met with 'stop blaming da refs'.

    If a ref's shit we should be allowed to say he is shit.
    There is much much more pressure on at this time of year and no ref wants to look like a dickhead giving a string of wrong decisions. A game goes for 90 minutes and some ref's don't have the bottle to stand up to such pressure of a title race. It's simple.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Fergie made a good point about Dowd being unable to keep up with the play and too far away from the action. The fat turd.

    Not Fergie, that is. Dowd.
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    It is actually ridiculous how overweight Dowd is.
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    More like; Why did the FA appoint the ref who gave one team a red card, which was later rescinded, to officiate the other league fixture between the same teams?
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    Also worth noting is that the crap decisions against us tend to be more decisive since we rarely lose by more than one goal, whereas we often win by more than one goal's margin.
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    This is one of the biggest factors in why decisions get given incorrectly or go unpunished. Referee's sometimes are so far away from the action they can't give anything but what they see. The assistant's help out but sometimes they aren't in the best spot to see it either.

    It could be worse, you could have the Australian referee's. Some of them are awful. I remember watching a game where the ref came to the sideline to sort out an incident (after running over from about 40 yards away) and gave a red card to one of the players (the linesman flagged a foul to the player who was given the card). Then after a bit of a fracas stayed practically in the 4th official area as play restarted and wakled back onto the field only to run another 45 yards and give another dubious dogso red card when the player had tripped over his own feet and got up to win the ball back and put it in the back of the net. Lol team missed the penalty though.

    Ref's are shit under pressure. But when they are unfit to the point of inhibiting their ability to get into positions to see incidents it becomes incompetence for me.
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    Agreed.
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    The linesman was perfectly in line to see the handball, the only explanation is that he bottled it having seen a replay of the goal that he disallowed for Wigan in the first half. Or that he's a spastic who shouldn't be officiating in the Premier League again. Most likely both.
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    Let's say we win the game, and we're not even talking about them. Yes you need a bit of luck here and there, but sometimes you don't get it, and you have to deal with it. Fact is, we didn't, so it becomes a talking point.

    Yes I'm disappointed how it's gone, but we've had a lot of luck lately, and Wigan have had a lot go against them. I just hope this gets remembered how all ours do....



    :lol:
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    Lol yeah, then there are refs who second guess themselves and bottle decisions. :lol:
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    It's not ever true..For it to be it would need the sentient collusion of every ref in the country plus half the players, or the metaphysical intervention of Karma made real over a 9 month cycle.

    It's just a saying. Like "time heals all wounds" or "what goes around comes around"...They're completely unquatifiable and largely bollocks comfort sayings.

    So, yeah. feck you sayings! Take that!
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    I agree mockers, just wanted to test the water.

    Test the water.
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    The shirt pull on Welbeck was just as bad. 2-2 would have been more fair.
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    Mockney Not the only poster to be named Poster of the Year

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    Yeah but those sayings need telling what for. fecking sayings! Acting like they know everything.
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    Or 2-1 since it wasn't a corner, the one they scored from.

    feck yeah, moral winners!
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    In 20 years time we'll look back on these times and laugh at what the FA were thinking using these overweight and overage joggers in what is the most important position of adjudication in all of sport.

    For me, it's not the major decisions that are frustrating. It's the fact that they can't even get corners, throw-ins and free kicks right that I can see from 100 metres away in the stands. So many times the ref and linesman just look at each other, waiting for an answer that never comes, so one of them guesses.
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    Or 1-1 if we miss one of those penalties!

    6 sounds much better than 5.
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    Blind referees. Not literally blind, but blind as how a blind person would do as a linesman: guessing.

    By now we should expect decisions would go our way again. It's kind of pathetic to think of such when watching a footie game. It seems like there's no hope of getting a fair, firm, and accurate refereeing. I missed Collina.
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    The goal should never have been chalked off for Wigan - never a foul on De Gea in a million years - and we got one against QPR.

    We still didn't deserve to win the game - we were absolutely shite, overran in midfeild and dominated by PL whipping boys. No excuses needed.

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