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Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by YouOnlyLiveTwice, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. Jan 19, 2018
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    YouOnlyLiveTwice Full Member

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    24 year old, left-footed right winger.

    10 goals and 8 assists for this guy so far this season. Bet Newcastle are kicking themselves that they didn't give him a proper chance.



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    Duncan Castles mentioned that we are still looking for a left-footed winger. Could he be the man?
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    yumtum DUX' bumchum

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    Isn't he a massive cnut?
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Was quite a failure at Noveauchateau, wasn't he?
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    I'd pass at the moment, he's at the best club for him right now and he still needs to mature. One to look forward in a few months.
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    Saccharine New Member

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    He has matured, learned from his failure at Newcastle and is now a better player. But I don't think he is ready to make the move to a big club.

    Marseille is his level at the moment.
    He likely to feature during the World Cup so we will see if he is ready to make it on the big stage.
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    Yeah. Not seen a lot of him but from what I have, no thanks.

    Not quite good enough. (Who knows, maybe he proves me wrong).
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    YouOnlyLiveTwice Full Member

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    He got 3 starts and 10 sub appearances, and was loaned back to Marseille after 6 months. I wouldn't call him a failure, just that Newcastle didn't put their trust in him.
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    izec Full Member

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    Good player, underrated on here because ge ‘failed’ at Newcastle. I think it wint be long til he gets a good move
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    Ish Lights on for Luke

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    Bit Of both I guess. I haven’t seen much of him. So can only go on the little I have seen. Which is him failing at the Toon. But as you mentioned he could prove us all wrong. That’s football. Life.
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    FootballHQ Full Member

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    Newcastle was the wrong fit for him, same for that Cabella guy they signed around the same time.

    Reminds me a bit of Nasri way he plays, bit too lightweight for English football but think he'd do well in Spain if he wants to step up a level again.
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    Cheech Wizard Liverpool fan

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    What happened to that other one Newcastle had who flopped, Cabella was it? Hows he doing these days?
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    FootballHQ Full Member

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    He went back to Marseille and did alright but seems to be bumping around mid table French clubs now. Playing for St Etienne this season.
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    BBRBB Full Member

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    Are you confusing him with someone else?

    Interesting to see how the new Marseille owner develops his strategy for the club: be a selling club or try to keep their best players. Being American you can expect he's in for the money and won't be too ambitious but you never know.
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    DelPotro New Member

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    Depay also has 8 goals and 5 assists this season with 400 less minutes played. French league is just poor in general.

    He is 24 years old and would expect to be a starter. Would you honestly trust him to start for a big club after his failure in Newcastle?
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    YouOnlyLiveTwice Full Member

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    First of all, saying the French league is poor is just absurd. France is booming with talent at the moment, there is bound to be a quite high level in their own league. It may not be PL level, but certainly better than the Dutch league. Also, Depay have talent, it's not absurd thinking that he is doing alright for himself in a less pressure enviroment than Manchester United.

    Answering your second question: I would see how he does for himself for the rest of the season and then assess if i think he would be an improvement over Mata or whoever else is occupying our right wing spot.
    As i already wrote in this thread, he was sent back to Marseille after 6 months. You can hardly call him a failure, more like Newcastle failed to put faith in him.
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    Remy Cabella.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    How do you know what he was doing on the training pitch at Newcastle? He wasn't getting picked for a reason.

    Look at N'Jie for Tottenham, looked totally of the pace in the PL but moves back to Marseille and has 6 goals and 2 assist in 11 games. The French League has some talent yes, but only in the top 3-4 teams the rest are poor and some of the defending absolutely comical.
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    Oh right I didn't see the post above for some reason, my bad.

    Cabella was once a very promising talent and could've hoped for a much betger career.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    There are talents at every level from Ligue 1 to Ligue 2. But after the top 4-5, teams have unbalanced rosters with very talented players surrounded by dross.
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    Robbie Boy Full Member

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    Remember this gimp turned up to a match with Newcastle wearing a fecking tux :lol:
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Thauvin did it to himself, he wrecked the start of his career when he decided to not play for Lilles and join a shambolic Marseille. He is talented but he lost 2 seasons to Marseille and Newcastle.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    I can agree with that, when I said talent I was meaning on a team unit basis. Its also incredibly hard to judge how a player will adapt to the EPL. Players from Germany or Spain tend to do better.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    On what do you base that?
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    Cassidy Not to be confused with Cassady the Liverpool fan

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    Not sure if that is true tbh. Plenty have come from Germany and failed, and Spain too. Plenty have come from France and excelled.
    In reality it all comes to down to individual circumstance.
    For instance Kagawa and United, under different circumstances e.g we didn't sign RVP may have turned out different. Sometimes players just sign for the wrong club at the wrong time.
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    DannyCAFC Full Member

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    More power to you if you want this knobhead at your club.

    One of a number of players who thinks he's better than he is, failed in a proper league and now benefits from the wank standard of defending and awful GK's of Ligue One.

    Nothing to see here.
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    Probably just my own personal observation and nothing more TBH, would be interesting to see figures though.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    What figures do you expect to see? Thauvin for example went to England after failing with Marseille, that's the thing that bothers me the most about these conversations, they are done without basic knowledge of the players. 9 out 10 players that move from Ligue 1 to PL aren't rated in France but they are still used as examples of failure as if they were supposed to become good when playing in england.
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    Yagami Full Member

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    I agree. He's having an impressive season but I'm still not convinced he's ready to make the step up.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    I meant figures of transfers from various leagues and if they were a success or not. Can I ask how N'Jie and NKoudou were rated, out of interest and is Malcom the real deal?
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    N'Jie's transfer was a joke and people were laughing at Spurs, Nkoudou had a good season for an average team, he was in the wait and see column. And no one really knows if Malcom is the real deal, he hasn't done anything that would convince you one way or the other but he has potential.
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    Kag Full Member Scout

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    You could close the thread right here.

    Bloke is a turd.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    Thanks, good to have an inside french man.
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    Njie and Nkoudou had 2 months of good form in L1 each and were both squad players for their clubs. They achieved nowhere near what Son did in Germany for example.

    There's a reason why Njie was the only academy graduate not awarded a first team wage package by Aulas and shipped away. Nkoudou had a few good performances in autumn that he was never able to repeat.

    I understand skepticism about L1 from Tottenham fans considering the mediocre players you got since Lloris.

    Malcom is seen as a very promising player but no special hype.
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    InLevyITrust Full Member

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    Thanks, I guess we are biased slightly. So Malcom for £30-40M is a big risk?
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    The main problem is that you are dealing with Bordeaux, they never get good fees, so if you pay that to a club as inept as they are then don't even try to take players from the rest of the league.
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    I think that’s a bit unfair :lol:
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Goalkeepers in Ligue 1 are no worse than the ones in the PL and that is taking DDG/Courtois into account.
    Thauvin was a bit shit when he was first signed by Newcastle (who were very awful themselves). He is maturing and developping normally now.
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    Which keepers in Ligue Un are anywhere near as good as Cortouis, Cech, Ederson, De Gea or Lloris? That’s 25% of the keepers in the league. Are any keepers in the French league even as good as our number 2 in Romero?
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    Delusional. DDG, Courtois and Lloris are 3 of the best GK's in the world, meanwhile the French league offers up the likes of Areola, Subasic and Lopes for comparison.

    No thanks.