Frenkie de Jong| Off to Barca - Confirmed

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  1. Jan 6, 2019

    izec Full Member

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    Dont understand the comparisons in here. Different players, roles, positions and stages in their career.

    The one thing i know is De Jong will be a top top player one day, he has a rare ability and makes the game look easy. I dont get how people watch him and cant think of seeing someone special on the field. He is an absolute gem, same goes for his partner in crime De Ligt.
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Ziyech is the definition of big fish in small pond. Sigurdsson level of peak. Assuming he ever leaves the league he’s stat-padded in for six years.
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    onemanarmy Full Member

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    Shht, the Ziyech fanboys will come after you if you make this much sense :lol:
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    Fortitude TV/Monitor Expert Scout

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    As the hype built, more and more people tuned in to watch him specifically and he was underwhelming relative to said hype in the national league A games recently played outside of the first one or two where he looked the part.

    Let's be honest, in the grand scheme, very few people will be won over by performances in the Erediviside - so he will have to look truly outstanding in the CL and for his NT to live up to the billing.

    He hasn't looked like an all-time player in the making in the majority of these huge games, yet, which the hype in here has suggested he should do, which leaves some wondering what all the fuss is about.

    If he is some elite prodigy, as he's purported to be, he'll need to light up the remainder of the season to truly meet the mark of so many who have gone before him.
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    L1nk Full Member

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    We should honestly go all out for this kid, he would absolutely flourish playing the Matic role for us and could do it for over 10 years. Unfortunately it's not likely to happen :(, him and De Ligt definite dream signings
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    BalanceUnAutreJoint New Member

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    And De Jong isn't even a big fish in that small pond.
    Also Sigurdsson would kill to have that kind of technical talent
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    tattico Banned

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    I only saw him twice in the ajax-bayern games and i was not impressed. I know, "two game scouting" is silly and i am not saying, that he is overhyped, but let's be a bit cautious with these kids.
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    Ajaxsuarez Full Member

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    I didn't mean to suggest Ziyech should be a target for United. I don't think he's top top level in that sense, just that some of his qualities are. He plays as our right winger this season, played as right half the seasons before. He actually covers a lot of ground and presses aggressively for such a seemingly lightweight guy. He also is very much a confidence player though, so for months of the season he goes completely off the boil and starts playing more desperate glory passes and long shots, unfortunately. doesn't have the mentality for a top club.

    your opinion of Ziyech is shocking. he's consistently shown to work just as hard on the midfield as anyone. go watch Ajax - Lyon again, and see who was our hardest working midfielder; it wasn't Klaassen...

    praising Ziyech doesn't mean I don't rate De Jong. It's just this one aspect of his game, long balls, that Ziyech excels in and De Jong is disappointingly poor in
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    Ajaxsuarez Full Member

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    the sad/annoying thing for De Jong, if he cares at all about how the internet views him, is that he had a big drop in form right as his hype online peaked (around the Germany-Bayern game). From August-November he was on a whole nother level both in international games and CL qualifiers + a couple games. I think it may have something to do with the injury he picked up in the Benfica away game, just a week before his poor game vs germany. I think the winter break is good for him, also cause he was only just returning from a serious ankle injury at the start of the season
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    Gate99 Full Member

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    Just curious where you got this idea? His long passes are great, with the stats to back it up.
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    Ajaxsuarez Full Member

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    by being a season ticket holder and watching him since he joined the club at 18?

    his long passes, even his semi-long passes, are these annoying soft lofty balls that are never actually pinpoint to some best target. they just float toward some general direction. I'd actually say his vision for spotting and executing long and through balls are not really all that amazing either. Nouri's vision and through balls were multiple times better, for example.

    he doesn't often go for long balls though, but when he does it's not that they don't reach a teammate it's that the recipient usually receives it sort of behind him, which together with the slow pace of the pass usually allows for opposition defence to regroup completely. bit busy now but i'll try to find some examples of the passes of his i mean later on
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    Gate99 Full Member

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    Yeah I watch the player too, it's not a very good argument or authoritative on itself. I can also post some examples of good passes, and bad passes, just like I can for Ziyech.
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    Ajaxsuarez Full Member

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    it's not about good or bad passes, it's the style/technique of his long passes that i don't like. surely you can recognise that he sort of "chips" his long passes too much? they're lofty slow balls 95% of the time. it's like my one main criticism of what i think is a fantastic player and special talent, so there's no need to be so defensive about it.
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    Gate99 Full Member

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    It's rather defensive if you're out of arguments, to just say someone is defensive instead of counter-argument ;)

    https://totalfootballanalysis.com/player-analysis/frenkie-de-jong-ajax-amsterdam-tactical-analysis

    "You can´t give him an inch of space because he can quickly make you pay with one of his incredible long passes. They have the accuracy of the passes of most defenders. The difference is that he creates immediate opportunities with those long balls."

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    But I agree he chips some long balls, which seems to be what you repeat all the time. If you're playing from the back you sometimes need that height otherwise the ball is intercepted.
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    youmeletsfly New Member

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    He;s good, but now a world beater, he's not the new Scholes.

    He would do good in a team with other good players, like Barca or Man City. But he won't do good in a team where he really needs to carry them or make a huge difference in the lineup.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    He's dynamic enough to make the difference in any sort of side. I often find that less dynamic players are the ones who struggle to make a difference in sides without great talent around.
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    youmeletsfly New Member

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    He's quality, in a side with not much talent around he will pop, as you've mentioned.

    I still think he's not the finished article and that he'd benefit from going to a top team with talent around him. That would really help him become the finished article. As a simple example, I don't see him doing good for us. Being that young, he still takes too much time on the ball at times(at least, from what I've seen of him), and that would kill you in the EPL.

    I agree that he's a good, dynamic little young player, but I do feel there's too much hype around him. We'll see how it unfolds in 2-3 years time when we can really expect big things from him.

    I would've liked to see him in Jardim's Monaco for a season or two to be honest, or at Dortmund.
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    We don't need him, I'd rather see more opportunities given to McTominay, he's a baller.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    This! McTominay :drool:

    Y'all crazy no white text!
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    L1nk Full Member

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    Genuinely hard to tell if this is sarcasm on this forum with how much McTominay is overrated
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    Holocene New Member

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    Really? He gets absolutely slated.
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    L1nk Full Member

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    Check recently, his last performance ranges from "Good" to "MOTM" apparently. If we genuinely believe we should be playing players like McTominay over acquiring players like De Jong we don't deserve to be anywhere near the title.
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    We need an rvn Full Member

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    no white text, no emoji etc etc....if you had 90 posts I'd say you got promoted too soon in the old days. At 9k+ posts you're either Scottish and hate United or you're Scottish and have had too many whiskeys.

    He is MILES better than McT in so many aspects...which is why a lot of top teams are in for him and no one in for McT who at the best will be the next O'Shea
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    I boldly predict that you'll change your mind in a season or two when he's considered one of the best midfielders in the world.

    You can just see there's something special about the kid from the little things - the way he moves on and off the ball, his timing of passes, his anticipation of players around him, his vision of what's happening on the pitch, etc. Just my two cents.
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    that's just even more infuriating as you haven't confirmed whether you're Scottish and hate United or just had too many whiskeys.. ;)
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    The guy reminds me of early days Xabi Alonso, especially 01/02, before he finally burst on the scene in 02/03 when Sociedad finished 2nd. I am certain he will eventually have just as illustrious career. Sad he is Barca bound.
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    It depends I think. He did lift the Dutch side which isn't the best of all time at the moment. Players not as great as previously featured are lifted. But I do think he needs a side which plays a certain brand of football. Personally (my mother is from Manchester) I would love to see him at United, but it is a risk, as it's not clear what the brand of football is (it changes each manager), and I don't think he will be interested because of that. With Mourinho there, it would have been wrong. With Pochettino, it would be much more interesting. It would be harder compared to playing for Barca, Man City or PSG, but there is the potential Cantona effect in there. Not as the type of player or character, but as a player who galvanizes the team.
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    Obviously he's not the finished article. Hrs very young as we know. At times it looks like he plays safe instead of always trying his best to influence a game. Everyone could benefit from playing in a great team even the very best players benefit from it.

    My point is he can do so much more than passing and standing still that he could be a great player in a not so great team. Dont agree with you on the taking too long to on the ball.

    id worry if he was like Weigl or Rodri, but he's a different kettle of fish.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    How? Xabi couldn't even move with the ball and he doesn't have anywhere near the Xabi passing range.
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    Ajaxsuarez Full Member

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    it's not about being out of arguments, i only have one? I just don't have the time right now to look for clips of the types of balls I'm referring to. Look at this video



    The first minute has some nice balls but also some rather meh ones, but they share the same lofted technique he hits them with. Actually my biggest pet peeve of his is the weird half high balls of his in positions exactly like 1:15. At 2:38 to 3:01 there's another few examples of the type of passes I was originally referring to. Keep in mind that these are the good ones, considering it's a highlights video. It's the style of his long passes that I take issues with, they lack a crispness (zuiverheid). two more good examples at 5:40. Again at 11:20 and 11:35, 12:43
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    This thread is funny.

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Firstly, yes, Ajax fans tend to overrate their youngsters. Everyone is the new Bergkamp or Litmanen until they turn out to be the new Victor Fischer or Tobias Sana, but with Frenkie de Jong even I have to admit that this kid has real potential. It's not even solely down to what he does with the ball, but it's very much the mental part of it. No matter who he plays and in what stadium he plays, he's completely unfazed by pressure and completely devoid of arrogance. Another important part of him being so good, is that he makes football look so very easy. That's something not a lot of players can do.Another big part why us Dutchers rate him so highly and want him to do well is his personality. He's pretty much a poster boy for all the values our country holds dear. No weird hairstyle, colorful tattoos, rap singles or insta-stories. Down to earth, articulate with the face of a farmhand. We go crazy for these types in Holland.

    He will undoubtedly get a shot at an absolute topclub, because overrating or not aside, PSG, City and Barcelona all want him. A year from now he either flopped completely, or is indeed the next Xavi, who knows.

    All that I know, I will forever tell all my Ajax supporting friends that he's from Willem 2's academy, so they can take their high horse and shove it up their bums.
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    So Frenkie De Jong is from Willem 2's academy? There is a Ajax fan I speak to regularly that says Frenkie is a product of the Ajax academy..
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    NotoriousISSY $10mil and I fecked it up!

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    He signed for Ajax in 2015 having already played in Willem's first team.

    He's less of a youth product than Pogba is to us.
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    Pogba does this often every game but imagine De Jong playing with Pogba in midfield, :drool: it would be too much for the team to try to close both players down and try to press as De Long and Pogba can play a ball through pressing and switching play on the flank with a long ball.
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    Jibbs New Member

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    Watch Xabi in 02/03 season with sociedad, and see how he is "moving" with the ball
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    They bought him when he was 18.
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    L1nk Full Member

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    He could take over Matic's role pretty perfectly.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    Xabi has never been a dribbler, something De Jong is.
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    There is a big hype around de Jong (=> high price) and he seems to be bound for Barca.

    I think we should have a look at Donny van de Beek from Ajax, it seem like he is the real deal as much as de Jong and probably would be a lot cheaper.
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