#GlazersOut

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  1. Jul 3, 2019

    Livvie Executive Manager being kept sane only by her madn Scout

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    Apparently the Glazers are being blamed for the current lack of phone ins because they don't want to give supporters the opportunity to vent. It's true there are far fewer than there used to be.
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    Lebowski Full Member

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    This is very well put.

    I will probably get round to replying in more detail to the original poster's response to this, but what you've said is spot on and doesn't really need much expanding on.

    The club was saddled with debt for the first time in almost a hundred years. Debt which was completely uneeded which was used to fund a completely unwanted hostile takeover. Debt which threatened the club's very survival at some stages and a takeover which has sewn animosity and division amongst our fanbase and has led us to the awful state that the football club finds itself in today.

    Yet we still have some apologists who support this model of ownership and expect us to be grateful when the owners turn some of the debt into equity via a stock market offering and allow the club to spend some of the money it is making (from fans) on transfers and wages.
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    Revan Assumptionman

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    That doesn't support the anti-Glazer agenda, so you should go to RAWK.
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    MancunianAngels Full Member

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    The main issue with the Glazers shouldn’t be transfer spend.

    The fact that these current protests focus on that means they’ll ultimately fail.
  5. Jul 4, 2019

    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    I'm hardly pro Glazer myself, but you have to ask how our huge wage bill fits in with the idea of the owners having zero ambition on the football side.

    Handing out silly money contracts left right and centre doesn't seem like something you'd do if you aren't bothered about having a team capable of challenging.

    It's not something you'd do if you're penny pinching either. The Glazers supposedly milk the club for all its worth, yet they happily agree to fund Sanchez' ludicrous contract. Why? They don't care about winning the league, so it can't be that. Is it some kind of marketing strategy? Overpay in the extreme for players who are far off being worth it in order to...save money?
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    They more than likely realize that we won't continue to be so profitable if we keep failing so badly. We're still hanging off of our success under Sir Alex but it won't be long at this rate before that fades away, and they know it. So I'd say they do want to spend so we challenge and win trophies, but for financial reasons, not because they actually give 2 shits about the club. If they did they'd actually invest in Old Trafford, the training facilities etc.
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    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    Yes, would be remarkable if they didn't.
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    Bojan11 Full Member

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    And in the last 8 years we lost Rooney, Rio, Carrick, RVP, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Giggs, VDS and the list goes on. We barely got anything for those players. We under invested during the latter years of Fergies reign and now the Glazers have panicked in the last few years by letting Woodward the clown run football side of stuff. The issue also isn’t about just the spending. It’s the structure of the club too.
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    Token Sheet Full Member

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    You fail to mention the Glazer's first 6 years of ticket prices continually going up each year, on average 11% per season.
    This meant season tickets were 50/60% more expensive than before they took over.

    The same increase by most other clubs would probably be over a 10/15 year period.

    You've not mentioned the acs though which Utd are the only club still imposing on season ticket holders. This dependant on how many cup matches we play in a season can add a further 25/30% onto what a season ticket holder pays.

    But hey you're right they really care about the fans......
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    Nanook Full Member

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    With the exception of Spurs, we have the lowest wages to revenue ratio of any top club in Europe.
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    Saffron New Member

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    Excellent point. And a quick Google search shows we only have a higher wages to turnover ratio than Spurs in the entire Premier League. So we’re 19th out of 20.

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    Shamana Full Member

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    When I think about the Glazers are good owners, I just think about how more or less 1 billions pounds have been spent on the unecessary debt they put us in to fund their takeover. If SAF had spent 1/3 of that on transfers we would dominated even more and not be playing catch up. But yeah since SAF retired we've spent loads and still been shit. but alot of this is the undervestment under Fergie which meant we started buying big when the transfer market became massively inflated. Now it seems like our Squad needs at least 300 mill in investment to challenge for the league.

    I just think we can all say that we would have been way better off if the Glazer's didn't make us the most indebted football club in world. Now sticking with OGS and giving him a transfer kittie of 100 mill seems like suicide. Look at what Real are doing with Zidane. We are going to spender another 2 seasons finishing out of the top 4. Forget about challinging for the league. I hope we go all out for Poch if he becomes available.
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    Tincanalley Turns player names into a crappy conversation

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    Did anyone listen to the Forum podcast?
    At 46.45 they tackle the subject of #GlazersOut.

    It was one of his old favourite subjects ten years ago... He (at that time) "spent far too much time debating and arguing about these kinds of things..."

    On the #Glazersout Twitter campaign... "quite powerful and interesting". But... People have got "a little bit ahead of themselves". "I am no great fan of the Glazers, but it's nowhere near as bad as 'anyone but the Glazers'" ... "who would replace them... what is the alternative option?"

    What can fans do? "Nothing". But ... "There is a lot to be unhappy about ... but in terms of a fan movement causing the owners to change I can't see it happening".

    As for the Saudis as owners (They go straight from the protest to the potential replacements)... xx is "done". The Saudis in charge would be the "moral tipping point". "It would be more of the same bullshit (galactico signings, no youth policy, by the Glazers) that hasn't worked". "Only the Saudis are worse than the Glazers".

    "#Glazersout is not a realistic standard to have" ... But they agree that Woodward's role needs looking at and "there definitely needs to be someone else coming in". But things at the club are changing. "If Woodward has a working relationship with OGS, then we are seeing a coherent strategy... We are doing things in our own time, in our own way..."

    "I think there is definitely a clear strategy now..."

    "Fair enough. people can keep going on with their #glazersout stuff. Feel free to keep it going..."
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    Revan Assumptionman

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    Absolutely agree. I am fed up with them and Ed, but that is because of long term planning (or better, the lack of it) rather than the money spent.
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    clarkydaz Full Member

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    i read on here only a few days ago memberships supposedly went up £5 out of the blue. Lets not forget the automatic cup scheme aswell, delightful chaps really aint they
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    VanGaalyTime Full Member

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    This cannot be highlighted enough. Look at the amount of money United generates, and look how much we spend. It's ridiculously low. Yes, you can say United have spent a lot in recent years, comparatively more than other teams. But we generate lots MORE than other teams. So why are we not able to outspend them? Compared to almost any other team across the globe, we also barely spend anything in terms of revenue percentage on transfers. This is critical to understanding the mess we're in.
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    Shamana Full Member

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    Almost all our big signings have been flops on way or another. Fellaini wasn't cheap at the time and was complete dross for his first season and became the talisman of our shit gameplan. Mata was a chelsea reject at the time and never came close to hitting the heights he did before for chelsea when he was player of the season 2 times in a row. Depay was a wonderkid who looked like sunday league footballer for us. Sweini was crooked and past it. Di Maria was a Real Madrid reject who didn't want to be here, bought for PL record fee. Paul Pogba was a wonderkid who we lost on a free and bought back for a world record fee. Brilliant at his best, but so wildly inconsistent he's hardly been a succes for us. Lukkaku bought for 75-90 mil? A proven goal scorer with no technical abilty and no first touch, had a decent first season in terms of goals and abysmal in his 2nd season.

    Then Matic who was good his 1st season, then completely past it his 2nd season. Then we signed Sanchez on record wages and he's been our worst player on the pitch.

    And then we bought Fred for 50 million and only god knows why.

    That's a lot of money spent and for what?
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    clarkydaz Full Member

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    it almost sounds like the club needs direction, but like, the owners refuse to actually bother helping the football club
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    Zen86 Full Member

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    That's the joke.
    We’ve spent lots of money, so that’s not the reason the reason we are where we are, rather how we have spent the money.
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    That is wages as a percent of turnover, not total transfer spend.

    You know all those posts on here, like:
    Why are we paying Smalling and Jones £120,000 a week?
    Why did we decide to pay Rashford £200,000 a week?
    Why can’t we get rid of Rojo and Darmian? Oh because they’re on £100,000 a week and no other club will pay that!!!
    WTF are we going to do with Alexis Sanchez on £400,000 a week?

    That’s wages. That’s what you’re implying we should increase.
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    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    Yes, but so what? We're the biggest cash cow in Europe, for any owner looking to make a profit.

    Nobody presumably expects them to spend as much as they can, as if they were fans, or a charity.

    Do they think it's necessary to have the biggest wage bill in world football (pretty much, over a number of seasons), whilst having no ambition to actually challenge for the biggest prizes?

    Are they just plain stupid? Don't they realize that "doing an Arsenal" can be done without pissing away a lot of money?

    You'd think the whole point of doing an Arsenal is that you don't piss away a lot of money, you just put in a minimum in order to stay there or thereabouts.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Have you looked at who we've signed since the season we finished 2nd? Does that level of investment and quality of signing strike you as that of a club that are aiming to overhaul City, Madrid, Barcelona and Liverpool?
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    Saffron New Member

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    Strikes me as a club deliberately letting off the gas because 2nd was ”good enough”. Didn’t want Maguire when Mourinho wanted to push on for 1st. Now wants Maguire when we need him to get top 4.
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    Zen86 Full Member

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    That's the joke.
    You’re right, we should have carried on giving Mourinho £150m each summer until things worked out. That would have been the smart and ambitious move.
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    Moriarty Full Member

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    Does anyone know how much money has been invested in the Academy in the past five years?
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    You know there’s a third option, right? Sack him. Or at least don’t extend him 18 months before his contract was set to expire.

    I don’t even believe Mourinho would have closed the gap. But what’s damning for the Glazers is that they didn’t think so either but were happy to keep him on because they thought he could scrape a top 4 finish again. There’s no real ambition to actually be the best in England.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    The board had given him a new contract just a few months before! That's on them. What had changed in those few months?
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    Shamana Full Member

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    Maybe it's just pure scouting or just bad luck. But it's unreal to see how many expensive signings we've made and how few if any have truly paid off. Even someone like Chicharito for 6 million pounds was more influential for us than most of these players.
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    Zen86 Full Member

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    That's the joke.
    You’re just inventing your own narrative now, but hey, that’s what this thread is all about isn’t it.

    They gave him a new contract because we finished 2nd and PSG were seemingly looking at him at the time. They didn’t back him how he wanted because he’d already spent a s**t ton of money on the players he wanted, and the board presumably expected him to make progress with the team that he had built. They fired him because he dropped us to midtable, fell out with the squad, and started taking consistent pops at the club.

    There’s nothing damning there, no great conspiracy. You don’t sign off on 2 players for a combined £160m if you’re aiming to scrape 4th place.
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    Saffron New Member

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    I am interpreting these events to the best of my ability just like you. Your interpretation isn’t any more proven just because it happens to align with your love for the Glazers.

    Nice narrative there. How is barely reinforcing a squad that finished 19 points behind 1st ”expecting him to make progress”? That doesn’t make any sense and you know it.


    This was a squad that had just finished 5th and 6th when those transfers were made. Which makes fiscal sense even if they were just aiming for CL spots. As soon as we got 2nd, they couldn’t be arsed getting Maguire even though they want him now that we need him for top 4 again.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Funny you talk about people 'inventing their own narrative' - Mourinho was given a new contract months before he finished 2nd. Then, after securing the 2nd place finish he wasn't backed by the board.
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    Exactly.

    This exact point is being overlooked, I'm guessing willfully, by almost everyone. But the irony is hilarious...

    And it's very revealing - actively vetoed him when he finished 2nd, now desperately wants him to get back into the Top 4...!
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    Maguire is not a £70m footballer. There are better players available that we should be looking at. Maguire is just a better Jones
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    dwd Saturday Night Spies

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    I think it also had more to do with Jose not getting the best out of signings so it was a pointless investment then. How many of his signings did he actually treat well and play often?
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    Im red2 Prophet of Doom

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    The facts are that they have no clue.. and they still have ED at the wheel. that is the problem.
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    I don't think he can be viewed as treating Bailly or Dalot badly.

    It doesn't really matter now, but at the end of the day, the guy had just guided us to our highest PL finish since SAF, and he wanted Maguire and was vetoed...

    And now the same people are actively going after Maguire. Whether you loathe Mourinho or not - it's utterly laughable from the board.

    And I say that as someone who wants Maguire at Utd.
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    Chesterlestreet Man of the crowd

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    Liverpool, eh? Let's talk about them for a moment:

    How did Liverpool manage to catch up to City? They very nearly won the double this season.

    Would our owners have vetoed any of the moves Liverpool have made lately? Is there evidence which suggests that they would not have bankrolled similar moves?

    Remember, we're talking about money here, willingness to spend - not competence, not having the right people in charge on the football side. Again - look at wages. Look at transfer spend in the Post-SAF era. How do United and Liverpool compare?

    Is the spending of the one indicative of a willingness to finance a proper contender - and the spending of the other indicative of a lack of ambition beyond securing CL football?
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Way to swerve the question! I asked a pretty simple question which you have answered with a series of other questions. I'll ask again: since coming 2nd in the league has the club shown the kind of ambition and investment that indicates it is interested in becoming the best again?
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    So we have been fed this big rebuilding operation by the club , however, despite the fact that we’ve signed Daniel James and AWB, we haven’t shifted any of the deadwood despite all of olés talk that “some of them won’t be here.”

    Everyone is still going on the pre season tour :wenger:
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    Completely agree. Why did we not spend anything last summer after we finished 20 points behind City? City then outspent us again. And will do so this summer. We need a window in which we outspend City by 200m otherwise we're never going to make up the difference. Can't compare us to Liverpool because they've got a different structure. We have the most problems in the top 6. And we need to use our wealth now more than ever.