Good read: "Athletic Bilbao's methods provide lessons for Premier League clubs"

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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    They have done a good job over the years but, I would not want any other club to have something similar to Bilbao's "Basque" only policy.
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    duffer Sensible and not a complete jerk like most oppo's

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    Not really sure how they're allowed to so openly discriminate.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Oh and Javi Martinez is from Osasuna, Ander Herrera is from Zaragoza, Inaki Williams is from Pamplona.
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    carvajal Full Member

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    What they do is admirable. They have been in first division all the seasons. However the Bosman law ended completely any possibility of future success.
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    Pamplona is Basque, Osasuna is Pamplona and Herrera was born in Basque country moved to Zaragoza because his Dad played for them.
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    antohan gets aroused by tagline boobs

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    Point being?
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    That they still poach and buy players like every other club.
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    antohan gets aroused by tagline boobs

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    Who said it was Bilbao only? If you don't see the constraint a Basque policy implies I can't help you really.
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    Yes, they still buy players (Basque only still), but obviously they make more of their own players and keep them. They don't just throw tons of money around willy nilly and sign big name players. They get them young or when not established more often than not.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    If it is a constraint they can just drop the policy.
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    It's amazing how openly discriminating against "foreigners" has become so popular recently. I definitely don't agree with their philosophy.
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    Lay Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    What are their finances like?
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    Very good I think. They never really have to sell their best players.
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    They only play with Lezama players and players with Basque blood. They are very limited in the transfer market and use to pay a lot. That constraint is their whole philosophy
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    My point is that I am against the policy.
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    carvajal Full Member

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    Ah okay. Personally I always liked it. The Basque Country is small and many of those players have grown up in the Greater Bilbao area.
    I imagine that their fans feel very close to the team because they know that their players feel 100% the shirt. I think Real Sociedad in the past did the same thing but abandoned that policy
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    I am generally a big believer in teams bringing players up through their academy(but, then again who isn't) I just hate the pretentiousness of articles like this. My stomach turns when I read similar about Ajax(who are my second club) and Barca's academies.

    And Lyon needs a better public relations team. These last few seasons they have had sometimes 8 or 9 academy graduates on the pitch(and actual Academy graduates not just players they poached when they were 16/17) and do not get the same level of nauseating Academy stories others get.
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    Imagine what would happen if Burnley or Hull or Aston Villa or Bournemouth or Everton announced that, from now on, they would only recruit white English boys born within 100 miles of their Stadium?
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    That's a bit different. Bilbao has had this policy for their entire history so they are keeping an old tradition up.
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    Warms the cockles that
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    Nadger New Member

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    So what? Back in the day, families had owned slaves for generations. Did that mean it was ok for them to carry on?
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    It was a good read. What they do is admirable and surely they're one of the most loved clubs in the world. To have a transfer policy like that in place and to have never been relegated from La Liga is amazing.
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    It's not a racial thing, it's purely cultural. The Basque Country, much lik catalunya has had secessionist values for a long time - they believe themselves basque rather than Spanish. Bilbao's tradition is the embodiment of the Basque country's ability to hold its own compared to Spain.
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    Why bring race into it? Ramalho & Williams have played for the club.
    Football clubs are built around & for communities. Wanting local players to represent that club is hardly the same as saying feck black people & foreigners.
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    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    They don't do it out of discrimination because they think they're better than others. They do it because it's part of the tradition of the club and it's what the fans want.

    Is keeping traditions going a bad thing now? Just because slavery happened? They're not hurting anyone by doing this, there are plenty of other clubs for 'foreign' players to go to.
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    You can try to justify it how you like, at the end of the day they discriminate on the basis of the player's heritage rather than their ability.
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    What's your thoughts on national teams?
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    Hardly a valid comparison. It's just a sport after all.
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    Peyroteo ahahahahah feck off dad!

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    There needs to be a line though. Am I wrong for feeling better when I see a young guy from Lisbon playing for my club than a random brazilian? Football clubs are a 'continuation' of a region/city/country's culture
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    National teams are a pointless irrelevance.
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    It's obvious no one is going to change your mind on the matter. You have your opinion that the vast majority disagree with and that's your prerogative.

    Interesting article anyway. Always liked them and really respected them after they turned us over and the fans showed such an admiration for Giggs.
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    JustAFan The Adebayo Akinfenwa of football photoshoppers

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    Oh well as long as it is traditional bigotry by all means continue
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    Culture is bigotry. Nationality is bigotry. Family is bigotry. Preferences of any type is bigotry. Mating with a girl that shares your culture is bigotry. Feeling joy to see your own team scoring is bigotry too. Feeling the natural biological impulse of bonding with the in-group is bigotry.

    You know what isn't bigotry? Dying alone after living a miserable self-flagelating life. Some of you "tolerant" guys are pretty intolerant of everyone else.
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    I think it's pretty cool what they do. Sometimes I get quite annoyed with globalization and uniformity of thought/lifestyle etc.

    I have a whole thesis on how it skyrocketed crime in latin america and other poor places, but its a whole other discussion. So I find it cool that they still keep waiving the 'tradition' and 'local culture' flag in an age where that's not cool anymore.
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    Have they ever had non-white Basque players?
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    I love their policy and tradition. I wish there were more clubs that were like them and Chivas that truly represented their people instead of importing foreign mercenaries out of convenience.


    Inaki Williams
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    To what extent does someone need to be Basque? Cause if it's just being born there, I don't think it's pretty discriminatory - they're just choosing to recruit from within their own region. But if they discriminate against players who don't have Basque blood, so to speak, then...well, yeah...
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    Cheesy Bread with dipping sauce

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    Why is a foreign mercenary any worse than a domestic one? Signing a major player who has no connection to your club but is from your country surely shouldn't be seen all that differently to signing a foreign one? Same idea, really.
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    They've relaxed it to take non-Basques if they've been raised in the region and come through one of the local academies.

    If you asked the Basques, they might just say that Spain is foreign to them.