Graeme Sourness

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  1. Dec 6, 2017

    buchansleftleg Full Member

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    He was a one dimensional player, a one dimensional manager and he is a one dimensional pundit. He's the crappest pundit on the panel when he appears on Irish TV and that includes Eamon feckin Dumphy.

    His greatest achievement is screwing up Liverpool, that had managed to ingrain success in it's DNA and overcome 3 manager transitions whilst maintaining success at the highest level. He managed to feck that up within 3 years whilst trampling over the fans fury at the Sun newspaper for his own profile and financial gain and nearly got them relegated.

    Even Moyes didnt manage to do that!
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    AXVnee7 Full Member

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    His hatred of Pogba means he'll never give him a fair shake. I think he genuinely expected Pogba to come and start smashing 50 goals a season for his world record fee.
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    OnlyTwoDaSilvas Gullible

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    If he's talking just about last night, then Pogba did make a lot of errors, it was far from his best game, and a bit of a hark back to last season when he looked to be trying to do too much. He still got a wonderful assist in the process though.

    But he's been one of our best players in nearly any other game he has played, and constantly makes contributions to the attack via goals, assists and clear cut created chances. His retention of the ball is ridiculous as well, though not quite so good last night.

    When it comes to Pogba criticism, a lot of critics seem to contradict themselves. They bring up the price-tag and state that he should be an all-out match winner, but then they'll also say he needs to be doing the basics expected of a central midfielder. When he plays in an attacking manner, then it's claimed that he doesn't understand his position. If he controls the middle of the pitch, then he's not doing enough to stand out and win games. The guy just can't win.
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    Raees Boing Boing Baggies

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    I can see where he is coming from, but Pogba is a 'atypical' centre mid, he is a 'youtuber' but basically a matchwinner whose effect isn't truly measured in goals/assists ala Lampard, but his effect on his team mates and the game is undeniable. He doesn't control a game, though he is definitely improving in this respect but he does influence the vast majority of games he plays in and we are a different side with him in it.

    I think Pogba will eventually win him over, he's still very much a work in progress and honestly he has been a tad undisciplined in the past few games for various reasons and still had a major impact, so I think Souness does need to lay off him.
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    prath92 Full Member

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    I don’t think that’s true. If anything he likes united more than Liverpool is the impression I got from his analysis
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    Zoo Full Member

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    He is sad and obsessed. I remember him even gunning for Pogba when doing punditry for the fixture at Southampton last season, a game Pogba missed due to the death of his father.

    Like Jose says he is a failed manager.
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    Steve79 New Member

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    Yeah I'm the same and if things had turned out differently he would have been offered the United job in 89 if Knighton had got the club so clearly dosen't have as much love for Liverpool as people seem to think!
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    Still ill Fantasy Football Champ 2018

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    I'm not mad on Graeme but if you're a TV pundit and you're not pointing out the problems with Pogba's game last night, you're not doing your job. A couple of lovely through balls aside, he was sloppy last night and if he put in a performance like that against a decent side in a match that mattered, we wouldn't be happy with him either.
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    Rory 7 Full Member

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    I kind of like Souness as a pundit :nervous:
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    Amazing that someone that rated Gerrard extremely highly can 'hate' on Pogba's game.
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    KirkDuyt Full Member

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    I guess Pogba is still a bit inconsistent at times, but saying he'll never become a top player is silly. I'd say he's not the best in his position yet, but he has all the potential and time to get there.

    He also seems like a really fun bloke, but that's not all that relevant I guess.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    But the thing is, everyone has flaws.
    Lampard could score but he never ran a game, Kross can run a game but his goal output is far below what it should be. Same goes for Modric.
    Gerrard suffered from bouts of inconsistency due to trying things he knows he's very good at.
    Its not as if Paul can sit back and think "Ill play it simple until I get that opening, Ill then 360 turn that defender and smack it top corner"
    Paul has to probe, to find space and link the play to the front 3. Souness giving out because he didn't hold back with Herrera was ridiculous.
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    golden_blunder I hate football. Getting grumpier by the second Staff

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    Me too, I don’t always agree with his opinion but that’s all it is, his opinion. There are far worse pundits out there. Sure for years dunphy didn’t have a kind word for Ronaldo
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    I think Souness has got some sort of agenda with Pogba, he was having a pop at him every given opportunity last season. Even when he missed a couple of matches due to the death of his father. Joke of a pundit and an even bigger joke when he was a manager.
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    Cassady Supports Liverpool, Not Accrington Stanley

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    He was a great player and as for nearly got us relegated he we finished 6th , 6th and 8th. I agree with your Sun comment though.
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    Niall All Powerful Super Being Staff

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    Me three. He tells it fairly straight as far as I’m concerned. Not prone to hyperbole and waffling like some other pundits.

    He’s not always right mind you but I like his style of punditry.
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    Cassady Supports Liverpool, Not Accrington Stanley

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    Gio 4 times Redcafe Draft Winner

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    Great player, poor manager and decent pundit. Interesting to hear what one dimension he was supposed to have as a player?
    Not defending his managerial record, but that Liverpool side were on the wane when he took over. His signings through the 1990s were pretty poor, although he improved a fair bit in the latter half of his managerial career. Don't mind him as a pundit though. He doesn't fanny around protecting his mates like a lot of the ex-pro brigade. Much like Keane, he's clearly intolerant of the 'modern player' and the new environment/culture/habits which is why he struggles to man manage the fandans in the game. That's his biggest weakness as a pundit and as a manager because it does end up manifesting itself irrationally with the likes of Pogba.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    His biggest weakness as a pundit is not hearing things out, he clutches at everything to serve his point.
    Does anyone believe him when he says he watched a lot of Pogba at Juve?
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    RedCurry Full Member

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    Does he ever backup his opinion with video examples and stats from the game? I can criticize Pogba and pull out exact moments where I feel he screwed up so I am sure an "old midfielder" with bunch of technology staff working for him could do it and do it far better than me and actually educate football fans like me.

    When I am listening to pundits, I can't give a feck about their opinion if it is just full of cliché comments and adds no insight.
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    golden_blunder I hate football. Getting grumpier by the second Staff

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    I don’t find Souness over cliched
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Stupid cnut, full of shit, clear laughable agenda against Pogba.
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    buchansleftleg Full Member

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    As a kid i just remember him getting by on reducers and intimidation. Maybe he showed more in other games or at Sampdoria.
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    Sparky Rhiwabon Full Member

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    Did he used to say the same things about Steven Gerrard, who was a similar style of player imo?
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    Jippy Sleeps with tramps, bangs jacuzzis, dirty shoes Scout

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    I actually don't mind him and Hoddle
    Far better than most they have and at least both have been there and done it.
    We moan when they have opinions and when they're bland tbf...You see the mental disagreements here- you're never going to please everyone.
    Would agree with that. Was the Keane of his day and a double European cup winner. He's forthright, can be somewhat agenda, but he has a degree of intelligence behind his views broadly and I'd always take him over a vapid Redknapp or whoever.
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    MAME DIOUF 32 Full Member

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    Gerrard scored a lot more goals?
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    Bojan11 Full Member

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    Gerrard was averaging the same amount as Pogba was at his age.
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    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    Seriously, what's up with these bitter scouse fecks?
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    noodlehair "It's like..."

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    Isn't he just saying the exact same there as nearly everyone on here is saying about Pogba?

    He definitely isn't wrong about the first part
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    noodlehair "It's like..."

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    In fact I just read the while thing and I think it's about the most sense he's ever had to say about us. He's summed up all of our midfielders pretty much perfectly...If anything overating what Carrick is still capable of.
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    Oscie Full Member

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    Honestly I don't mind Souness. Disagree with what he says much of the time but he's tolerable vs Jamie "I fink they need to kick it in the goal Martin" Redknapp's level of punditry and analysis who's there simply because he's pretty.

    He's also very happy to put the boot into Liverpool too.
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    Buchan has whacked the hammer to Roswell

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    Souness will be forever remembered on Merseyside as the man who ruined Liverpool's glory days. He started the rot over there, which Ferguson compounded by sweeping up title after title. I find it hilarious how galling it must be for him to accept that. I suggest you all do, too. Don't pay heed to anything he has got to say on Manchester United, or probably football in general.
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    MiceOnMeth New Member

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    Souness is way too fixated on Pogbas price tag.. I wonder will he hold Van Dijk, worlds most expensive CB to the same standards?
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    Moonred Full Member

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    He might have an agenda with Pogba but the article is pretty accurate or close to what many of us discuss.
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    ArmchairCritic You got pets me too mines are dead

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    There are some reasonable bits but him waffling on about Pogba's physique and athleticism (labelling his technique as just good :rolleyes:) and saying he doesn't score enough goals and then saying United need a craftsman in midfield when Pogba has a significant amount of assists suggests Souness is also wilfully ignoring certain evidence. He even said so himself that Pogba's best game was the tip of a midfield 3 but then chooses to ignore that to be the answer to United's playmaker because Pogba doesn't fit the stereotype inside his head of what a playmaker is.
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    Kag Full Member

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    The bloke who wrote that for him is quite right about the main crux of the article, to be fair.

    The Eriksen/creativity comment isn't right, mind. Pogba has created plenty.
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    VP89 Pogba's biggest fan

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    He actually doesn't say much wrong.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    Why the hell is he even writing about Pogba?
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    Zoo Full Member

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    He is obsessed with Pogba.
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    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    If it was just one piece I wouldn't have any problem with it but this bloke has history of slating Pogba. Clear agenda. Just from the first two pages of google:

    "Paul Pogba should stop seeing himself as a central midfielder like Andrea Pirlo because he too often looks lost in the role, says Graeme Souness"

    "Former Liverpool captain Graeme Souness believes it is a bonus for Manchester United that Paul Pogba will be suspended for the derby against Manchester City."

    "I want to see Paul Pogba do what Fellaini does."

    "Describing Pogba as 'a bit of a YouTuber', Souness claimed the four-time Serie A winner with Juventus has not won much in the game."

    "Graeme Souness questions whether Paul Pogba has the positional sense to become a top-class central midfielder, claiming the Manchester United player 'lacks a basic understanding'."

    "'Jose Mourinho cannot rely on schoolboy Paul Pogba' says Greame Souness"

    "Graeme Souness wasn't impressed with Paul Pogba's performance in the Europa League final.

    Pogba scored the opening goal of the night against Ajax and won plaudits for his performance in the game, but Souness remains unconvinced by the Manchester United midfielder."