Has Ole given up on next season already?

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  1. May 12, 2019

    NK86 Full Member

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    I dontd get this. This isn't some graph which will only take predictable curves. This same team went from 2nd to 6th in one season, so expecting it to improve and at least get top 3 is not insane as some here would want us to believe.
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    Snowle Gunnar Solskjær Enjoys hatching eggs for people Staff

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    Just because we were 2nd doesn’t mean we even came close to challenging. I can see us top 3 if things go well but I don’t see us challenging for the title at all.
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    NK86 Full Member

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    I agree we didn't come close but we were still miles better than what was served up this season. For Ole to then say that we would need to worry about the teams below us rather than the ones we are chasing is him lowering expectations for another mediocre and shitty season. We cannot possibly be this bad again and if we are, Ole is to blame for this more than anyone else because right now I see no semblance of any style or plan on how we intend to improve this.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    It’s good that you feel so optimistic about next season....Unfortunately I don’t see any hope at all....We”ve made a big mistake by giving Ole the job full time and we”ll have to pay a heavy price next season...,
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    UnofficialDevil Anti Scottish

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    Not anti Scotish, just posted a lot against Moyes.
    All he talks about is top 4 and how we wont be challenging for the title for a long time. He wont even make top 4 next season.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    And more importantly,we need lots of quality and talent....both on the bench and on the field.Even David Moyes worked very hard when he was in charge....but unfortunately,hard work isn’t going to suffice.We need a manager with top class quality and I”m afraid we”ve anointed someone who’s not up to the job....
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    He definitely is.We are playing beautifully right now....
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    I'm optimistic that Ole can get the team playing some good football at least. But in terms of progress in the league, I don't expect much. A better top 4 challenge maybe. But it'd be nice to be able to enjoy watching the games.
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    SAFMUTD Full Member

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    I’ve given up on Ole already.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    Is there any evidence to suggest that Ole is even remotely qualified to build the foundations of a great team?Anything?Track record?Experience at building teams?Trophies?
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    Mourinho's comments about getting 2nd place in the PL with this United team was one of his greatest achievements, becomes believable with every passing day!

    Ever since the Everton game in particular our form has been definite Relegation form, which must not be carried over to next year, although history tells us that just like the mid seventies, when our form was last this bad, it could well be the case?

    When Ole came in he undid the 'shackles' imposed by Jose, but now he seems to have great difficulty re-imposing them, or maybe even remembering where he put them?

    This will be one of the most important close seasons for this club for years, good luck Ole!
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    Yakuza_devils Full Member

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    People will say that his first 15 games were great while completely ignoring the fact that new manager bounce happened almost at all other clubs. Or he won the league with Molde in Norwegian League. Last but not least, he gets the club and understand united way while again conveniently ignoring the fact that he has already given up for next season when the season haven't even started and no player signed.
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    Lennon7 nipple flasher and door destroyer

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    Why do people persist with the "Real Madrid feeder club" thing? We haven't sold anyone to them in 10 years, and before Ronaldo we've only really sold 2 key players to them in RvN and Becks. feck Heinze.

    There's absolutely no fecking way Ole has given up on next season, he's just beginning. I'm hoping the slightly negative comments are simply to reduce the pressure on him and his staff, and after a good transfer window we'll be half decent again.

    The main issue for me will always be the board and executives. If they keep on splurging money on big names with no real footballing direction, and giving in to players/managers demands just to try and please the detached fans then we'll carry on being a laughing stock. We'll instantly improve within a year if we get a director of football, proper scouts and give up on the commercial streams for now to focus on football.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    15 games??Unbelievable...,,United should be signing managers with 15 trophies under their belt....It’s ridiculous and it’s actually criminal that we appointed someone on the back of 15 games.The Norwegian League?Give me a break....

    Who cares about him “getting the club” if he’s not good enough for the job?Even I “get the club” cause I”ve supported the club all my life,but it doesn’t mean that I”m good enough to manage the club.SAF had no association with United when he became our manager.....But look what he did for this club.So this entire notion that you have to be a former player to get the club is bunkum in my view...,
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    Agree but as we failed to qualify for the CL we need some sought of revenue and that is what Woodhead does best. We need the money so we can’t afford to let that aspect go south as well. However saying that once that starts to dry up the leaches that are the Glaziers might just decide to sell up.
    It’s quite incredible how Woody still manages to get these insane sponsorship deals considering the dross that the first team is serving up, still to get back to football I suppose we need to give Ole a transfer window maybe even two, it will take a few just to get rid of the crap let alone sign who Ole feels would be suitable for this club.
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    Sir Alex Ferguson took over from a certain Ron Atkinson. He'd won the league in Scotland with an unfancied team against the financial behemoths in Glasgow (relative to the strength of their league at least). Sound familiar? Keep reading.

    Ron Atkinson was the manager who had come closest to winning the league since Sir Matt had retired. He won a few trophies domestically, and got us to second in the league behind Liverpool of all teams, and we were primed to push on and challenge for the title next season. Again, sound familiar?

    After a second place finish, the next season started awfully, the players looked like they had never met before, let alone played together for years. Couple this with some injuries to key players, we had our worse start for years and Big Ron was sacked before New Year. I swear I have seen something similar happen somewhere else recently....

    He was replaced by the young Alex Ferguson. Who had all the experience of the Scottish league, and almost immediately he turned the club around winning an FA Cup just 4 years later, with his first league success coming a brief 3 seasons after that

    We know the rest of the story, I just felt that some of our younger fans might need to know that the club didnt form in the 92/93 season, and Sir Alex didnt turn a team of misfits into world beaters overnight
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    Judge Red Don't Call Me Douglas

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    Mourinho doing his job properly got us second. Ole is at the level of Mourinho trying to get the sack.
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    Celoti23-81 New Member

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    TBF, Ole has to come out and say that we won't challenge next season. Which is completely true. Whether thats because he doesn't have faith in his own ability, or the playing staff are complete dross!
    It's kind of the same thing Mourinho said in pre season, and look what happened after that!
    What I don't like about Ole when we have had this poor form, he never blames himself! Atm, he is just a smiling mourinho.
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    Swearing Budgie New Member

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    Ole will sort us out. He just needs to get everyone playing really well, sign a few that aren't shite, win most of the matches and pick up a few trophies.

    It's simple isn't it? Just make everyone happy and win loads of football matches. Why do people make it so complicated?
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    John Blund Full Member

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    And how did that story with Mou continue? How much money he spent on players, and which players did perform under him in his 3rd season? Ole hasn't spent a dime on new players yet.
    People expect us to challenge for the title next year needs a reality check.

    Liverpool, the first season under Klopp, did they win anything? Where did they end up?
    Let me help you: First season, Klopp had 1,6 points per game when he came in from October. Solskjaer had 1,9 points per game since he came in. Klopp had 2 points per game in his first full seasons with Liverpool. If United had beaten Cardiff, they'd be having over 2 points per game under Solskjaer since he came in mid-season.

    People can cry about Woodie having no clue, but United fans wanting Ole out now is plastic fans in my mind.
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    Good post.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    The points average only tells half the story though. We are in freefall. Plot how those points accrued on a graph and then see if it still looks so positive...
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    John Blund Full Member

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    We fell into a bad run of games. Ole said from the start that we weren't fit enough to keep un running as he wanted his team to play (like Liverpool still manage to sprint when they're heading towards the last 15 mins).
    My point is that on average Ole hasn't done too bad. And he needs to have at least one transfer window to mould the team. Mourinho brought in players he didn't play or he fell out with. Ole somehow managed to make Lindelöf look like a footballer. And Rashford suddenly happened to be good enough to be a striker. If Pogba is heading to RM, then good riddance, else I'm pretty sure he'll perform better next season as well.

    As for points, most teams had a bad period. Since Ole took over as permanent manager, we've taken 8 points in 8 games. In the same period, Arsenal and Spurs took 10 points in 8 games. Poch got his CL final but Spurs bad run in the league isn't much better than Ole's run with United. And Poch knows his squad.
    Emery in Arsenal had two transfer windows to mould his squad.
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    The direction of travel is certainly concerning. After a positive start we have progressively gotten worse and worse to the point where we can not really feel confident of beating literally any opponent. Our form in the last two months has been far worse than anything we ever saw under Mourinho (or even Moyes/Van Gaal).

    Solskjaer's inability to have any kind of impact on the team in this period, has also been extremely worrying. The one thing he has consistently championed throughout his time here has been workrate - "Man United should never be outrun by an opponent." We have been outrun by our opponent in 18 of the 21 games he's been in charge. They just aren't listening to him.
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    This post is going to be really pointless.

    I love lowering expectations. It's like a spoiler alert.

    If only we listened to Emilia Clarke. In a way OGS is the Anti-D&D. Which is good in itself.
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    A James that made City's defenders feel dizzy and tired 2 weeks after the game.
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    Ole has to be backed and realistically top 4 finish is the best that'll happen for us! He's inheriting the previous 4 managers players and should be given time to keep the players he likes form the group and build on it.

    We need to go out of the Europa League at the first opportunity because its a hindrance.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    The worst run for 60 years!
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    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    Exactly. It's the knee jerk world of modern football fans. Win = great. Loss = end of the world

    Let's see how we do this summer (I'd love to see a group of new players arrive and real changing of the guard/culture here) and how Ole does next season. In the meantime, if miraculously any of the top managers in the world become available/show interest we should be talking to them
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    Yes quick players will make you look silly trying to catch them.
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    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    Exactly,but it’s ludicrous to compare a young Alex Ferguson to Ole Gunnar Solksjaer.And it’s preposterous to compare the Scottish league in the 1980’s with the Norwegian league.The Scottish League was much much better than today’s Norwegian league...SAF was the most sought after British manager after what he did at Aberdeen.He even won the European cup winners cup by beating Real Madrid in the final....There’s no comparison between where Ferguson was in 86 and where Solksjaer is today....
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    I'm not sure that 6 years of decline, coupled with the appointment of a manager that no other top club would have chosen in a million years, topped off with United's worst run of form for 60 years necessarily qualifies as 'knee-jerk' personally.
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    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    Talking specifically in the context of Ole, it definitely is.

    Man went from best thing since sliced bread to an absolute no hoper in about 1/4 of a season. The post I was referring to simply had the stats to back that up.
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    John Blund Full Member

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    If the form continues with 4-5 games without a win next season, I'll consider joining your wagon, but for now, it's a project I believe in. Results will come. The game against Cardiff wasn't as bad as they say. On a normal day, we'd score a few of those chances for Greenwood. And that penalty for Cardiff is the softest one I've seen in a United game since Young was diving for penalty 7-8 years ago.

    We've tried two managers top club would, and have, signed (LVG and Mou..). Who else do you see coming in, that can guarantee better results next season than Ole? Pretty much just Klopp and Pep in my world. And they're unavailable.
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    The Craig Shakespeare effect.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Happens a lot with caretakers managers doesn't it?

    We are in the midst of our worst form for 60 years - any fan, of any club, would be right to question their manager in that situation. When you add the context of the club needing a massive rebuild and entrusting that to somebody relatively unproven it becomes even less of a knee-jerk response.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    Well this is where we disagree. If you honestly think that outside of Pep and Klopp there is nobody else in world football that would be likely to get better results than a guy whose previous Premier League experience extends to relegating a club and then being sacked a few games into the following season after signing 19 new players we're so far apart that we're never going to find common ground.
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    John Blund Full Member

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    Well, who do you have in mind? Proven winners, with experience from the highest level, also with experience rebuilding squads? Talking English would also be preferable.
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    Di Maria's angel Captain of Moanchester United

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    This lowering of expectations is truly bullshit. We've been fed the "we're in transition" narrative so many times that it may as well be a chant at Old Trafford.

    Chelsea went from 50 points in 2015/16 to 93 points in 2016/17 - one season and they managed to almost double their tally. For feck sakes, we our fecking selves doubled our tally from 26 in 17 to what? 25 in Oles first 9 games. That's the shit people are using to justify the decision to appoint Ole in the first place.

    If we had just been sensible and not appointed Ole in March, maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't have dropped in form to the extent that we did. We should have stuck to our initial plan of having Ole stabilise the club - which he did - and have someone more experienced (Poch, Allegri, Tuchel even) come in and challenge next year. But we're Man United, forever stuck in the transition period.
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    Rusholme Ruffian Full Member

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    stick a pin in the top half of any of the top 4 leagues in Europe and you would find someone with a better track record and pedigree than Ole sadly.

    Answer honestly - before December 2018 if I'd asked you to come up with a list of 20 possible next United managers would Ole have been amongst them?