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High Pressing Teams and Refereeing

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Rossa, Jan 31, 2018.

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    Rossa Full Member

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    Mourinho alluded to refs being gentle with City when it comes to yellow cards. Watching Tottenham play today, they get away with so many free kicks that are often even yellow cards. It is as if refs are, like pundits, applauding that aggressive style and cutting teams that press aggressively and high up the pitch.

    Why do teams that play this aggressive style get away with constantly fouling and hacking at the feet of the opposition?
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    Because the majority of the time they aren't yellow and just like Jose you are clutching at straws.
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    Tottenham has made numerous of these little kicks an hacks at United players' feet, and that completely disrupts the flow of play. I remember Bayern doing the same where they kept hacking at Rooney's ankle all through the game, and the ref did nothing.

    Edit: of course, the majority are not yellow - but there should so many more free kicks. Silva should have seen a red for a two footed tackle knee height - did he even get anything?
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    cyberman Full Member

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    It's so hard to break through their press when they're allowed so many tactical fouls that's disguised because of the pressing. If a side like Spurs didn't press and there was more space between the players then the fouls would be more obvious instead of thinking "He wasn't going anywhere because he was surrounded" mentality.
    Not saying it's wrong but it's a problem to play against.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    And when they foul a free is given.

    He got a yellow, should have been red. WB should of had a couple as well.
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    Yeah, keep trying to excuse piss poor play with the ref. If your tactics are shit, reasons grow up on trees.
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    WB?
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    It really breaks down the flow of our game, particularly when already playing a high-pressing team away from home. It comes down to the ref's game management. A few early yellow cards to the culprits and it dies off as they don't want a red. Unfortunately, when it's against us nobody really cares apparently including the refs.
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    padr81 Mr. MoneyBags

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    West Brom. I think it was Philips who literally jumping sliding tackled Diaz in the hip.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    Were shit and the sky is falling in.
    Good talk.
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    Exactly, they are tactical fouls that they either get away with clean or only a free kick, never a yellow even though they do it all game. Son, I believe, tripped Valencia on the counter when Valencia was running into space - nothing given, and then Martial had nobody to play to.
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    Maybe we too should learn how to press at times and take advantage of it? ;)
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    They were shit. It's still a point though. Why is the same foul 20 yards apart treated differently?
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    Well, West Brom just don’t have the quality:devil:
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    Yup, don't want to hear how hard it's to break teams who press and are allowed so many tactical fouls, boo feckin who.If you aint good enough, it's probably the ref...c'mon people.
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    Because flow of play matters whether we like it or not. Home advantage does too. Am I saying that refs are perfect, no. Am i saying that they are not making a ton of mistakes and fail to be balanced, no.
    All i'm saying is that, while it provides comfort, we shouldn't focus on the dead horse. We should focus on us.
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    There's nothing wrong with pointing this out though. It's also telling that this tactic fails them when they're away to the big sides.
    Is it the ref clamping down on it as if the crowd wakes him up from accepting this as the norm? It's a strange one.
    There's definitely a conversation to be had here.
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    Acole9 Outstanding

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    Please can we stop with the blaming referees for losing. The ref wasn't to blame for the loss, such desperate remarks.
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    We don't have a damn coherent strategy for attack. It breaks up that which isn't in exitence? Stop making excuses for a garbage attacking system that doesn't know how to keep possession under pressure or how to play football at a high tempo through movement and quick passing.
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    It's annoying. The Norwegian commentators went on about how reckless and aggressive Valencia was, but that was only because he was the only United player who played like the Tottenham players. Look at how many United players were fouled after the ball was played; that ruins the attack as that player is tactically out of the game and incapable of finding a new position. I think it happened at least five times with Sanchez alone, and then that ridiculous one with Valencia. It disrupts the flow of the attacking team and even takes out players.
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    I agree with @cyberman ... This isn't a "blame the ref thing" at all... But there is definitely a conversation to be had around how a "high press" allows you to get away with more fouls
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    I have noticed this too. So often a high pressing team will cynically stop the counter and the refs just let it go. Should be a booking every time.

    Firmino does it for Liverpool, Silva does it for City, Dickhedbele does it for Spurs. The majority of times its a FK, nothing more.
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    No, we are not blaming the refs at all. I'm wondering why and how this is allowed, because teams that sit lower, where the movements are slower, are penalised for this all the time. Is it because the refs are incapable of paying attention to the quick movements?

    Tottenham were clearly better than United today, so fair play to them.
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    100% agree it's worth the talk, just thought not a good time as looks like an excuse. My theory is that some players are just better at making stuff look like fouls. The ref can't possibly see behind the player, he doesn't know if there was contact. It's just that based on the fall and movement, it looks to him as foul and gives the benefit to attacker/home team. This has been part of football for ever.
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    I'd say most of the time it's hardly even a free kick. The ref often notices the foul, but then he is a "good" ref and lets the attacking team continue, but they are effectively a man down and have a disjointed attack.
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    If you're not interested to talk about refs, maybe you'd want to consider staying out of a thread that has 'refereeing' in the title, eh?

    No, the ref wasn't the reason we lost today. Would we have had a better chance to get back into the game with better refereeing? feck yes. Give that handball on Son, we score the penalty and it's 2-1 and we're in with a shot. You know, just like we were in 2009 when we got a 56th minute penalty and went on to win 5-2.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    This whole “we lost therefore can’t discuss x, y. z thing” is pathetic. It is annoying how they seem to get away with so many fouls. Because they’re so close and tackling players that are rarely on the move it’s actually hard to generate enough force for a typical yellow but you’d think the sheer number of niggling fouls would count against them.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    I do agree with this but today was a bad example. We got the fouls we deserved and Spurs got the cards they deserved.
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    I've always thought this, as well with Liverpool. It does seem to be the new fad though, and people want to let the game "flow". If a ref clamps down on it, they get harangued by crowd. I imagine its easier for them to let it go and only do the really obvious ones like Alli on Sanchez.
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    Nah, Kane got away with at least three fouls breaking the counter and no booking given.

    Dembele was rightly booked I suppose.
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    BeforeKeanetherewasRobson Full Member

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    Who said the ref was to blame? Op? Posts since?
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    Spurs are smart to press our defenders because they will either hoof it or pass it backwards (and not even crisply). If we had somebody like Prime Rio, he would step forward or make a forward pass taking out a whole line and putting us on the attack.
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    I think also generally why we're better against these teams at home...more likely to pressure the ref into giving the foul.
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    I think what's more of a problem is the amount of shithouse challenges teams seem to be able to get away with when they're already losing against bigger sides.
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    Slightly defensive response there...

    You'll find that the team who fouled the most last season immediately after giving the ball away were....drum roll....Spurs. It's the modern game. Refs just bottle punishing players because ppl get away with it every week. Managers encourage this because it effectively negates the chance of being caught on the counter.
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    I was about to say, did Kane get booked in the end? He made 2 fouls in quick succession in the first half but got nothing. Jones then fouled Kane and immediately got a yellow.
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    marjen Desperately wants to be like Noodle

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    Smart from them, really. They also share their fouls around.

    Not too much complaining from me though tonight, we weren't at the races.
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    Nope, Alli and Dembele the only ones booked for Spurs. And those two were absolute barn door bookings, you could even argue Alli's could have been worse.
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    I think it's just an advantage of being a pressing team.
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    It's not a bigger problem, but it is a discussion albeit a very different one. What you mention is true of course, but here we are discussing those small, as @Pogue Mahone mentioned, barely enough contact to even make a foul and difficult to brandish a yellow card for. However, it happens all through the match. It's cynical, it disrupts the attack for the other team, but very little is done with it.