Holt! Who goes there?

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    Barring injury England will presumably take Rooney, Welbeck and Sturridge. Then for the need of some variety also at least a more conventional target man type, Darren Bent's injury precludes him so it mainly comes down to the following names:

    Peter Crouch - Past
    Grant Hold - Present
    Andy Carroll - Future?


    Who should Hodgson take do you think? All of a sudden the Carroll lobby is growing in strength but does that override the consistent performer over a season in Holt? I'd be inclined to take a chance on the canary.


    Just as an aside i have a feeling Defoe might sneak a place even with his lack of games for Spurs.
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    It is too late for Holt IMO, he has never played International football at any level and we can't be gambling on untried players

    I'd take Crouch for the Plan B option - he has a great record in international football
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    Personally, I'd take Crouch but I think Carroll is going.
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    It would be silly if Carroll went ahead of Holt imo, the former has done next to nothing all season. If you'e going to take one of these kinds of strikers though, I'd still take Crouch, a very good record at international level.
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    Hodgson has worked with Zamora before..
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    It's got to be Crouch surely, though I'd take Carroll ahead of Holt.
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    Always feel a bit sorry for Crouch - good record but rarely seems to get a look in now.

    Agree that Carroll will probably go - has hit a little bit of form in a position where we're light - finally had a decent game for Liverpool on saturday - looked a little bit more like the player at Newcastle last year.
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    I wouldnt take Sturridge, not done enough to deserve a call up imo
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    Crouch should be a shoe in. Good national record, goal of the season, Abbey Clancy in the stands.
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    Both Crouch and Holt are 31, if either of them were in the squad they'd go as a fourth choice striker and probably not feature for England again afterwards due to their age.

    We ought to be looking at somebody who can play a role for a few years at least, saying that Defoe is 29 himself.
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    Who cares about the next years? It's about bringing your best squad and winning the thing.
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    Whoever it is will be sitting on the bench (I bloody hope), and Carrol's probably the best to make an impact from there. FA Cup final was good evidence of that.

    Daniel Sturridge can feck off mind. If he played for United I'd have personally run onto the pitch and strangled him by now.
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    England can be bringing whatever they want. They're not going to be winning the thing. Better to concentrate on getting the house in order for the next thing, and the one after that.
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    Be that as it may, who else are you going to take?
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    No, it is about bringing your key players, Crouch or Holt would be nothing more than peripheral at the beginning and token once Rooney becomes available, I'd rather such a space in the squad goes to somebody we can bed into the England setup for the future and not for such purposes.

    A front three of Young, Sturridge and Welbeck is England's best setup at the start. Three players with very similar traits and abilities who are constantly interchangable - the flexibility they offer in swapping positions, changing our top end formation and what have you would be a nightmare for defences which is something that the likes of Holt or Crouch could not contribute to.
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    Of course Sturridge is going, despite his selfishness he has scored some goals this season, and is a bright prospect.
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    I don't think Holt's an international football. The defending in the PL has been poor this season and though he's done well, it will be much tougher at the Euros.

    I'd bring Carroll as the option from the bench, if only because I don't think he's nearly as bad as people say. He can be a useful player with his ability in the air.
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    Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck and Carroll. Probably.

    Hardly spoilt for choice are we.
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    Carroll should not be going. He's an appalling footballer who has had a few good games lately. He should be nowhere near England's national side.

    Holt has had a good season, but he's not internationally proven like Crouch, who would probably be the safest option for England to take.
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    Yeah, probably those 4, and then Walcott and Young can also play in a front 3 as necessary.
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    I was under the impression that Sturridge has more assists this year than Welbeck, do you have such feelings for him too?
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    What you need is a striker that brings in something different. That's what Crouch does. He's much better a link up play than Carroll and he's a big fecker. Although a poor header he will win some balls. Also, he has a proven international record.

    You have to pick 20 outfield players. You're hardly wasting a space by picking Crouch.
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    If that was the only way by which to measure players' performances then sure. Gladly it's not.
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    Must say, Sturridge was absurdly shite against us last week. I don't know what's happened to him, for most of 2011 it really looked like he was coming good.
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    This year? He's got 3 assists. He was good the first few months but he's been very poor for the 2nd half of the season. There's a reason he doesn't start much anymore.
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    I see that but we have never utilised Crouch well for England before in tournaments so I cannot see that changing now.

    It is as much a case though that I want to see the England of the last five-ten years gone, the players, the formations and the tactics and what have you. We have a wave of 'new age' English players coming in who I would rather see brought in for the beginnings of a new era, rather than playing 442 and lobbing it forward to the big man.
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    Bet you'd still take Lampard though.
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    He has 7.
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    Holt reminds me of Steve Bull...except he's nowhere near as good. Not international quality at all. I'd take Michael Owen before him.
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    Difference between Welbeck and Sturridge is the former has had a proper footballing education. The latter has spent his formative years backflipping between different clubs/acadamies and as such plays like he's inside FIFA Street.
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