Holt! Who goes there?

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    I would and because he is playing very well at the moment, after the end of the world cup and early this season I wouldn't have but since the beginning of the year he has returned to form and then some.

    The likes of Barry and Gerrard though I'd send packing. If everybody were fit and available I'd play Jones, Lampard and Wilshere in the midfield.
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    No idea where you've got those numbers from. He has 3 in the league and he's got 1 assists and no goals in the CL.
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    Phil Jones should not be allowed near the midfield. Or probably the defence right now.
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    You'd play Jones in midfield? Seriously? And ahead of Barry? There's no way he's better than Barry in midfield. Jones hasn't had a good game in a long time and he's no midfielder.
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    I'd have him sit in front of the defense, if it isn't him this site will be going mental in a few weeks time wonder why Scott Parker or Gareth Barry are in the side.
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    There are still friendlies to judge Holt. Crouch is a known variable. I say you give Holt 45 minutes in the next friendly and see what he can do.

    The general consensus at the national level is Rooney will start and he's better with a big boy - in this case Carroll, Holt, or Crouch. Carroll has been shite all season and does not deserve to go. Holt has been on fire. Crouch can perform against smaller teams, but disappears, even for his size, against smaller. He also fouls a lot in the box instead of getting on the end of balls.

    I'd take Holt. He's big, he's in form, he plays for the team, he runs his legs into little nubs each game then spends a few days growing them back - stronger.

    I've been a big fan of Crouch, but I just don't see him doing it this tournament.

    Defoe is another darkhorse. I can see Rooney and Defoe as the small forwards, and Welbeck and Holt as the larger ones. Saying that, Welbeck isn't a shoe-in either. He hasn't played well lately.

    I just hope Terry doesn't make it.
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    At the moment you basically have to pick one of Barry, Carrick or Parker to sit in midfield.
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    By midfield I mean in front of the defense, we are probably going to turn up in Ukraine with Cahill and Ferdinand as the central defenders which isn't the most cohesive and agile partnership in the world and therefore playing a defender in a more advanced position in Jones directly in front of them is better than having a midfielder in a defensive role, ala Barry.
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    Of those three I'd take Carrick in a heartbeat, I've never quite got why England overlooks him even after we have long dropped the Gerrard Lampard routine.
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    Rooney does fine at United without a big boy. England lack proper wingers. Can't play 4-4-2 properly.
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    Based on what Hodgson said last week that'll likely depend on what Ferdinand says to him, if Ferdinand gives him an ultimatum over who to choose then I cannot see Terry going.

    Which makes this whole thing even more farsical as Capello left the job because the FA went over his head on Terry.
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    Everytime England plays those are the two names picked out for criticism more than others.
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    Still think it's a damn shame Wilshere won't be playing.
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    Indeed so though once it got to March and he was still out that in likelihood was the end of his ability to get into the side. After all his reputation is built mostly on one season for Arsenal after which he has not played for the best part of a year, given that I am not sure he'd be able to come straight into the England side for an international tournament if he were to become available in the last few weeks.
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    Agreed. At the moment I'd have Barry or Carrick starting there.

    I think England will need a five man midfield at this tournament if they're going to have any hope.
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    Can't be serious suggesting Jones ahead of Barry. Laughable. Carrick too but even Barry. If Jones goes it's for his versatility and to ride the bench.
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    Bought into the hype, no manager to drag him back down on earth?
    Maybe he counts assists the FF way, they have him on five in the league but are extremely liberal about it.
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    Premier League 2011-2012: Grant Holt (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11662_2705370,00.html)
    Championship 2010-2011: Grant Holt (http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalDiscipline/0,,10794~20107,00.html)
    League One 2009-2010: Grant Holt (http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalDiscipline/0,,10794~200925,00.html)
    League Two 2008-2009: Grant Holt (http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalDiscipline/0,,10794~200826,00.html)

    I'm not sure what it would achieve, although he might be a useful scapegoat when it comes to yellow cards.
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    I'd say Carrick. Don't know what more he has to do. We would've been absolutely fecked without him this year.
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    No one thinks Jones is a England midfielder yet, though
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    I dunno. I haven't really thought about it beyond liking the idea of leaving Sturridge out to teach him for being a selfish bollocks. Realistically he's probably going to have to be included.

    You can just picture it though...83rd minute, England desperately need a goal, the break into possibly the only decent promising attacking position they'll have, and Sturridge uses it to cut inside and spank a 20 yard shot into the side netting.

    To be fair, without Rooney however England set up for the first two games looks lightweight up top. I'd probably stick Welbeck up top and use Young and Walcott to support him with their pace. and maybe have Gerrard in behind. It's a very big ask of Welbeck though.

    The problem is without Wilshere, England's midfield is still pedestrian too. Unless Scholes is convinced to come along, and even then, he's not going to be able to play all of the games, and probably wont have the legs to compensate for the rest of the team's inevitable positional dicking around anyway (imagine playing Barry or Parker alongside him). It's just bizarre how Carrick never gets a look.

    I would still kind of love it if we stuck all the young players in and at least crashed and burned with a bit of style/insanity. No manager is brave enough to do that though.
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    I was laughed off the site for suggesting Jones wouldn't prove to be a good signing. I'm being vindicated now. He can run, he can look decent in an attacking sense, but he can't defend. Never has been able to either.
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    I think you also have to consider that we'll be without Rooney for the first two games so you must pick two strikers who work well together. I suppose that lends more credit Crouch if Defoe does get in. Those two have worked together for years.

    I must say - this England squad is the least exciting in two decades.

    I also disagree about England missing out on wingers. We'll play a 4-4-2. Though a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 is our best bet realistically. It's just so hard because most of the players will not know anything but 4-4-2 or 4-5-1.
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    And I'm laughing my arse off at you now. He's still a boy and does have a lot going for him. It was always a big ask to make him a starter in one of the best squads. I'm impressed he's done this well.

    I think we overpaid. But we tend to do that now.
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    How are you being vindicated now? Because he's going through poor form? What makes the last 3 months more telling than his first 3?

    He's got so much potential, he'd clearly be a fantastic signing for Arsenal and any of the top 4-5 clubs.
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    Walcott should start games on the bench.
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    Didn't even overpay. That's just the way the market is. When you have British potential it's worth so much more in the PL market. Even if he doesn't become good for us in the way we want he will definitely have a good resale value at the least.

    Your counter argument could be Aaron Ramsey. That boy looked talented last season but has been Arsenal's worst player this season.
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    He's 20!
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    I'd take him in a heartbeat...bags of potential. Horrible gurning mess of a face though.
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    His only problem is that, IMO, he looks a bit dodgy when facing a team that pressurizes us. Having said that, an extra man in midfield would really help in those situations.
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    Carrick can also be a useful emergency CB too.
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    Are you feck being vindicated. Every man and his dog can see the enormous potential in Phil Jones. A few bad games doesn't change that.
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    I found those out when I was thinking whether Holt could start for England a few months ago... :nervous:
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    Grant Holt should always celebrate his goals by saying GRANT HOLT! and flexing his arms like Steve Holt in AD. Just felt like throwing that out there.
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    :houllier::lol: he's 19 ffs.You can be unbelievably stupid
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    He's 20, kouroux. He's past it.
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    We'll see. I reckon in 5 years he'll be playing for a mid-table side. The defender version of Ben Foster.

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