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How do you play against this current City side?

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Di Maria's angel, Feb 10, 2018.

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    Di Maria's angel Captain of Moanchester United

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    Okay, I'm no City Lover nor is this a thread to blow their horn. However, I've seen yet another game where they've blown away their opponents. Obviously, a little annoyed that Leicester couldn't get near them and potentially impact the result. So, this leads to me to asking a few things, firstly,

    a) Do teams respect City far too much?
    b) Or are they (currently) just that good?
    c) If b, how do you beat them? Can you take the game to them or do you need to be a top team with world class players?

    I'm thinking of the way Tottenham played against them and got blown away, but then you have Liverpool who went toe to toe and came away with a massive win. Most of the midtable - lower table teams have just been dispatched and, personally, seem like they've lost from the first minute. What say you?
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    The high press is the way. That’s Liverpool’s game though. Trying to learn that style for two games a season isn’t the best idea.

    Don’t do what Leicester did today and try to play out from the back with average players against a high press. That’s suicide.
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    Schmiznurf Full Member

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    Take away their chequebook.
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    Sterling Archer Full Member

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    Do what West Brom did?

    Or Liverpool early on?

    Or what Shatkar did?
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    Di Maria's angel Captain of Moanchester United

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    What did West Brom do? They lost, didn't they?
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    golden_blunder Dreaming of a return to 4-4-2 Staff

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    Not think of them as anything more than 11 v 11
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    Press them high.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    High pressing their back line to disturb their buildup from the back, press anyone with the ball as high as you can and keep it tight and compact in midfield. You'll need high stamina and some amount of luck though.
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    Di Maria's angel Captain of Moanchester United

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    Can any opponent do this? Huddersfield, Stoke, WBA and others etc.? Do they have the quality to get a result?
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    el3mel Full Member

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    No. These midtable clubs will set back and defend deep only. They'll need huge amount of luck to nick one on counter and avoid the thousands chances City will do.

    I'm talking about them facing a big team. You need to high press and at the same keep it compact as much as possible in midfield. Never give them space or time to build up the attack comfortably. Will need a very high stamina though to be able to do this through the 90 minutes.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    I guess not, they're usually doomed to lose anyway. Some will grind out a draw. We can talk about tactics all we want, at the end of the day you can't beat biology all the time. Better players will win more matches than the rest.
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    You need a goal threat striker. We had Salah. You need a hard working midfield who hold on to the ball and move it quickly. Bristol did this in the cup but without the goal threat. You need to take a few goals lead as City are great at the end of a match - their strongest suit.

    Utd have the goal threats. Even more so with Sanchez now. They could easily take a two goal lead in the first half. But Jose does not believe in holding on to the ball for long periods with quick movement. Ergo, I don't see Utd getting anything more than a draw most likely after total City domination near the end.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    You need the high press, that is the most important thing. You have probably the best high press striker about and we have the worst. Your team is geared for that style. We would have to drop Lukaku, play Sanchez, Rashford, Lingard and Martial as the front 4 Martial would have to work harder though. How do you fit in Pogba though, he is the player to hit the long passes into space but can’t do the defensive work.
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    Meant Burnley. Id hope my point is straight forward enough - play to your strengths and respect your opponent. Concentrate and don't have an off day .

    We won't beat them in possession tiky tocky shite that some seem to like. But we can unsettle them with aggressive phycisal play .

    This isn't Barcelona of a few years back. This is much of the same lot that every pundit has picked to win the league since Fergie retired yet this is the first season they actually look worth their pay. If there is any time to knock their confidence back it's before they win this league in a trot .
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    Hurt to say but in this case we'll have to drop Martial for Herrera and push Pogba as the number 10.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    He doesn’t really press well though, although he would fight with the defenders well.
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    Or just drop Pogba. It's not as unthinkable as Utd fans keep unthinking. Martial would be more of a direct threat to City's back line in one on one situations.
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    Classical Mechanic Full Member

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    Thing is though, City leave so much space round the back, there is probably only KDB at a similar level to Pogba at hitting accurate long passes in the whole league.
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    Rashford, Lingard and Sanchez tend to run a lot and press the defense players. Martial's style is different so if we want to go for high pressing he's the only option that can be benched to put Pogba and keep him as a sub.

    Nah impossible. Without him we'll lack the unpredictable passing that will the put forwards in dangerous positions.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva

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    It's very risky for the bog standard premier league team to press them high.
    They'll just play through the press.
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    paulscholes18 Full Member

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    when city have possession drop slightly deeper don’t give them any space between your midfield and defence, and when you have the ball be direct and attack with pace
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    KdB plays in a team where possession is everything, therefore KdB can get on with what him (and Pogba) are good at. Pogba does not play in this system and against City needs to do more Milner stuff than KdB which he is absolutely shit at. Horses for courses.
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    They are brimming with confidence at the moment. Somehow, you need to prick their confidence, be it the high press, refereeing decisions going against them (ie, get Cuneyt Cakir to ref the match), get very physical, and/or just plain old luck.

    Also some teams will want to make sure the pitch is in terrible condition and doesn’t allow much passing along the grass.

    Parking the bus and counterattacking against them doesn’t seem to work, because they either recover the ball high up the pitch, or they foul high up the pitch to stop any counters.
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    George Owen LEAVE THE SFW THREAD ALONE!!1!

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    Press high and some couple of hard knocks onto some of their key players.

    Phil Jones smashing KdB like he did Lallama would be a good start.
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    We had Hendo, Milner and Ox FFS. You don't need Pogba's 'wonderful' passing. You just need to win.
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    abdo99 Full Member City Lover

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    The Liverpool game is one off situation. That result was more down to the individual errors that City made. To beat Man City I believe you need exceptional individual attacking players of the highest calibre (which none of the PL teams have) to compensate for the coaching and chemistry that Pep has instilled.

    First and foremost we all know how they like to press so high, hunting in packs, dominating territory and win the ball high up the field. If they can catch a team out quickly they make quality first time balls when the other team doesn't have a chance to regroup otherwise the ball is recycled and they start again from the defence. Pressing them only isn't going to work IMO. Tottenham and Napoli both tried this tactic and conceded 4 goals. What I've noticed however is that you don't need many passes to get into the Man City half and create chances. The problem is that by keeping possession of the ball they limit the chances of this happening. It's a defensive tactic as well as an attacking one. Where Man City can have 20 passes in a attack the other team can create the same attack with 4 or 5 passes because they leave so much space behind and that's why Ederson is required as a sweeper-keeper and be alert to come off his line numerous times in a game. This is why City commit so many tactical fouls to stop counters because if a player can evade the press of the first City player you can create 3 on 3 situations or 4 on 3 almost every time.

    You must be prepared to surrender possession against Man City. Even Barcelona last season with Neymar, Suarez and Messi upfront had less possession than City. It's impossible to dominate them in terms of possession but its possible to score goals and beat them with quick and sharp transitions on the counter and that's what we need to aim for.

    Right now teams are too scared to try anything but the only way to beat them is to carry a threat at the other end and match them blow for blow. Counter them every single time they lose the ball otherwise you are simply asking to be beaten. They are so consistent at what they do so you have to match that with the same consistency at the other end. You can't blow hot and cold in attack and make the wrong decisions. That's why I said you need world class individuals upfront who make the difference.
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    If you have such a creative presence in Pogba it feels dumb to bench him in such an important match. Much better is to provide the platform for him to perform. If you don't have him you have to go around it by using other options and tactics, but if you have him you need to use him.
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    High press and counter, win the midfield with agression.
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    The question in the thread isn't how do 'we' fit Pogba into every game. It's how do 'we' beat City.

    For the record I think Pogba will be played. Like you say the pressure is too much not to. And it will help us chasing you. :)
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    Ian Reus Ended 14 years of Grand National sweepstakes

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    They have to be forced into mistakes high up the pitch. As been said already, a high press is necessary but unless kaku can be coached to press, then he would need to be benched instead.
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    Make them go long. Man mark their playmakers in the middle while pressing from the front 4 will take away their ability to play from the back. Jose did that almost every time we played them. Before you say we’ve failed every time... It’s really down to player execution. If players don’t turn up and stay disciplined, you can’t control their flow. On the offensive end, go long. Bypass their midfield and their pressing. If you look at how we played them the last few times, you can see poor execution.
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    This. Like exactly this.
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    You need a lot of stamina.

    Relentless pressing.
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    RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin

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    Long balls to fellaini. They can't deal with that.
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    Whichever tactic we went for we'd have to be at the top of our game. Either defending well and getting highly efficient breakaways or playing them at their own game. Our passing, pressing, holding, ball control and finishing would have to be immaculate. I think the second is how City vs Barça would look, with City losing.
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    Honestly, I think the Liverpool game was an anomaly. Man City had played a midweek game and Liverpool were notably the fresher with a longer break, training in Dubai during that period. I genuinely think City are very good and it's going to take one of the bigger sides in Europe to beat them. Unfortunately in the PL, sides only have one or two genuine game changers in their teams, whereas Real Madrid, Barcelona, PSG, Bayern have a number of game changers.
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    You hope somebody else sorts them out for you. At least that's the plan for the CL.
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    You either press them high or you bypass their press by playing long balls. None of this playing out of the back nonsense.
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    High-maniac pressing, target their CBs, score goals early and literally tactical foul them everywhere.

    :wenger: Just returning their T-Fouls favor.

    Bonus: If John Stones is playing, feast on his mistakes.

    Play this line-up:

    --Sanchez--Rashford--Lingard--
    --------Pogba-----Herrera--------
    --------------Matic-----------------
    --Shaw--Rojo--Bailly--Valencia--
    -------------De Gea----------------