How many matches did we really got outplayed and outclassed at OT?

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    The Azzurri Full Member

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    During the Ferguson era?

    Before last night, there was no particular matches that spring to mind. Or was there any which I have totally forgotten?

    Not many i can recall. The ones that come closest.

    In european matches, the 4-3 win over Real Madrid few years back that knock us out on aggregrate. Ok, the Madrid side is a class of its own, but somehow i feel we didn't got outplayed as badly as last night.

    6-1 defeat against City. Never watch the game ever since that fateful day, but i seems to recall it was kinda of a freak result?
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    3-2 defeat against Real Madrid in 2000, they were a class above.

    City did outplay us and it was 6-1 not 8-2.
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    Chelsea outplayed us in 2005 when they won 3-1 too.
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    You could probably find a couple of examples in every season. It happens.
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    Chelsea 3-0 in 2001, completely torn apart with Keane in the middle of defence.
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    We barely lose a couple of games in a season at Old Trafford, let alone be outplayed.
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    They did in the end, but only in the sense that we went madly chasing the game and decided not to bother defend. We were marginally the better team first half, and even at 3-1 down you could have seen it going like the Chelsea 3-3.
    So doesn't count as being truly out-played, for me. Not like last night.
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    Barca when Ronaldo got the hat-trick?

    Although maybe that was more so Ronaldo himself
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    Sir A1ex Full Member

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    Not true at all. The vast majority of our defeats are either against the run of play, or are just shaded by the opposition, especially at home.

    Similarly we win plenty where we are only just better, or in some cases worse than the opposition, so it's swings and roundabouts.
    Basically, in all but the very rarest occasions, it's only the occasional bottom-feeders that we totally play off the park.

    This is pretty true across football, teams of a similar level rarely totally out-class each other, and given that we have been amongst the very elite for many years - top three in England, top ten in Europe - it's no surprise that it's very rare for it to happen to us.
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    I was at that fecking Liverpool match. Won't forget that one.
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    City didn't outplay us. We were better team in first half and partialy in the second half too (before the red card), but we haven't created too many chances. They defended for most of the game and played on the counter attacks.
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    I thought we were doing well against City until they scored with their first shot on target. And then the sending off happened soooo early into the second half that of course they were going to have more of the ball.
    Similar to the 4-1 against Liverpool. Shite defending cost us the first three goals that day.

    Newcastle a couple of months ago wasnt at OT.

    Madrid 3-2 springs to mind. Im sure Juventus outplayed us when they beat us 1-0 15 years or so ago.
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    Which one, the 4-1 about three years(?) back when Vidic got sent off?

    Again, a very exagerated story of how they outclassed us - Torres had Vidic's number, but other than that they didn't have much over us, and the game was pretty balanced.

    Or are you talking about a different one?
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    Yea. It was a pretty tight and unlucky 6-1 loss at home...
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    Yep, but they certainly did us. Bit of a worry to see it happen twice in two months... it's such a rarity home or away normally.
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    Usually you have to play a lot better than the other team to win by three goals.
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    He's right, it actually was.

    Stop the match after 89 minutes, and people would be talking about City just edging the match, and putting the difference down to Evans' red card. Which is a much truer picture of what happened than the 6-1 score line.
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    Usually maybe. Not sure of your point, but I'm getting the impression you have no capacity to assess a match other than the scoreline.
    This makes your participation in this thread a bit redundant, as if we wanted a list of our heaviest losing score-lines, we could just go to soccerbase or something.
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    You can't paint the picture any way you want to live in your denial. Fact is that match was an embarrassment. A football match is also 90 minutes. Stop the game at 89 and we wouldn't have won in '99.

    It might have been a close game until Evans got sent off but that's part of the game and we sure as hell didn't cope with that dismissal.
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    I may have ignored the "at OT" part of the OP.
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    Tell me one thing I said wrong in that post.

    So chelsea must have outplayed us in first 70 minutes of the game at SB this year too, they were leading by 3 to nil.
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    I was at the game. I remember it well. I remember how poor Vidic was. How many mistakes Carrick made. How Rooney and Tevez and Ronaldo couldn't really do anything for 70 minutes of the match. There were no 'if' turning points in that match. Vidic's red was only the final nail for him. He was on his hind legs the whole match.

    United was certainly outplayed. Class, each to their own. I'm sure many would say that we were outclassed as well.
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    Why do you feel the need to be sarcastic about it? It's about the same standard comment you get from an intelligent design believer who tries to use sarcasm and it completely backfires on them. "Yea. It was a completely random and lucky evolution that happened over millions of years...hahaha".

    As a forum can individuals not take some responsibility for the quality of conversation? I don't mean to attack you in particular because I know you are a decent poster, but that's the point isn't it? You are far better than that. Why make such a stupid, lazy post in the first place? And why do it in such a dickheadish manner? What could you possibly hope to achieve from it? Such behaviour is contagious and this place has been on a downward spiral for ages because people keep posting in this manner.
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    Snow Somewhere down the lane, a licky boom boom down

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    You said that City didn't outplay us. How in the hell can you lose 6-1 without being outplayed?

    Chelsea kind of did yes. That can happen in football you see. You can be better in the first half and lead and then totally feck up the 2nd half.
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    Yeah, we dominated those two minutes.
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    Milan comfortably outclassed us there in 2005.

    Chelsea have done a few times, including the same year.

    Arsenal in 2001. Bayern the year before.

    It doesn't happen often but it does happen.

    This season we've been outplayed at home by Ajax, Bilbao and FC Basle.
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    No, it's not the same standard at all. Not unless you believe that his jab at evolution has any foundation.

    This is only the 6th thread to have sprouted after yesterday's defeat. It attracts silly comments and that's what it gets. But if you can't recognize that City humiliated Manchester United fair and square than any amount of intelligent posting isn't going to change that. But it should be pointed out non the less. Most of the times I let it slide but someone was going to say it and it might as well have been me this time.
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    Correct. Whatever the possession figures, none of those scorelines remotely flattered the opposition.
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    There was no such game I think.
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    Stop the match at 89th minute and we'd have still been outplayed.
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    I thought we were the better team against City up until the red card, and even for a bit after it.

    No doubt City deserved the win by the end of play, but there's a difference between being helplessly outclassed and complete self implosion.
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    Madrid 4-3 in 2003.
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    Can you outclass a team and not win the game?
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    How many chances they created apart from the goals? In first half they had one shot on target and that was their goal. We had possesion for most part of the game, and we were attacking for most of the game,they were playing with at least 9 or 10 players behind the ball, and playing on counterattacks. Their almost every goal came from counterattack.
    It's dumb to say that we were better team, but we certainly weren't outplayed.

    You think chelsea outplayed us in first 70 minutes too? :eek:

    my mistake, I messed up something. But we had our moments in second half after the red, we even scored a goal with 10 players.
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    Not a chance City outplayed us in the 6-1, we were the better team comfortably in the first half when it was 11 vs 11. The sending off decided the game, not City outplaying us.
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    To concede 6 great chances like that in one game is a lot. When was the last time for example that we managed to create that many chances in one game?
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    We created more chances against newcastle than city created against us and still finished 1-1. Newcastle didn't create nothing except for that penalty that never existed. We created lot of chances against chelsea too, cech made four or five excellent saves. Barcelona created more chances against us in CL final than city created in whole game and still won only by 3-1.
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    Of course we were outplayed by City, 11 v 11 or not, it wasn't exactly their fault we had a player sent off.

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