How much do we miss Pogba ?

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    Raoul Admin

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    Its been nearly 6 full games and 540 minutes played since Paul's injury, during which we've scored 20 and conceded 2 in all comps, primarily with Matic and Fellaini and a bit of Herrera. So the question then becomes how much do we miss Pogba, if at all ?

    Thoughts ?
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    Not much in terms of results so far, but I think we have struggled a little bit in midfield at times despite fairly easy matches and good results.
    The sooner we get him back, the better obviously. #POGBACK
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    Without Pogba we lose the ability to keep possession of the ball in midfield and creativity from the middle, but the way we coped with his absence is amazing so far and proves the strength of our squad.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Not as much as we missed him towards the end of last season. Thanks to the continued excellence of Matic. With special mention to Big Fell too.
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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    fixtures have been very kind

    Any Utd side should be winning these games

    Will answer at end of October
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    We haven't really needed anything in midfield other than a defensive powerhouse (Matic) and a presence to chase around a bit and give the ball to the attacking players (Fellaini, Herrera). It's those attacking players which have propped us up at one end and Matic has stopped up leaking at the other.
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    Not much in the small sample of (easy) games, however the longer it goes the more we will miss him. No other player in the squad has the ability to retain possession with a mix of skill and provide a varied range of passing. We have players who can do certain parts of his game to an acceptable level, but Pogba offers the unique combination of it all which becomes very important over a full season, especially in the more difficult games.
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    Seconded. Close thread....:-)
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    Thirded :)
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    Fixtures were comparably as kind before his injury and results haven't changed much before or after.
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    sammsky1 Pochettino's #1 fan

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    I don’t think he has yet become as pivotal as others suggest. Especially given the form of Matic and Fellaini.

    Ideally he would always start so he can get closer to his full potential but losing DDG, Matic or Lukaku for a similar period would be a much bigger blow.
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    That's true. Its also possible that Mourinho finally has us playing in his preferred way where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, which would be a good thing since players are entirely interchangeable when injuries happen.
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    King.of.Red New Member

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    Based on our latest results, as long as our midfield trio (Matic, Herrera and Fellaini) can keep their current forms or improve more, we dont really miss Pogba and can wait him to heal his injury. of course, Pogba is very important since with him, we are more dangerous and stronger.
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    I don't think we're as good to watch without him.
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    Lots of squad players having purple patches helps. Young and Fellaini have stepped up and helped with the attacking output.

    However, form is temporary, class is permanent. We can hope these 2 will continue to do well of course, but there is no doubt that we need Pogba back as soon as possible.
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    sammsky1 Pochettino's #1 fan

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    Definitely. Once Rojo and Ibra are back, I think our squad is as strong as SAFs 99 and 08 squads. Each player offers different strengths which allows Mourinho the specificity for bespoke tactics and selection depending on the opposition.

    Likewise as you point out, our tactics are holistic and not dependent on specific players: each role is clearly defined which makes the loss of extra talented players much easier to absorb.
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    I don't think we've been particularly tested in terms of the opposition we've faced. The next couple of weeks where we play the Socusers, Spurs and Chelsea i think we could miss that creative spark. These types of games tend do be tight and rely on a moment of individual brilliance to unlock a defence, and that's something he's capable of pulling off; so perhaps we could miss him then.

    Obviously having Matic alleviates some of the concern that i have, as he's been excellent in every game.
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    Nikelesh Reddy New Member

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    We haven't missed him at all so far,but that's probably more to do with the teams that we"vet played so far.But I think we"ll definitely miss his quality against Liverpool,spurs and Chelsea.Hopefully he"ll be back at least before the Chelsea game....
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    Matic or Lukaku out and we would be in deep trouble. The squad's also missing a game changer, very annoying that Mourinho couldn't get his winger in. Then we would've been much closer to legendary teams in the past, however no chance in hell matching the one with Cristiano, Tevez and Rooney. Chelsea 05 or Arsenal 03 could compete with Uniteds, IMO.
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    thought we missed him quite a bit vs Everton and Southampton
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    Real test will be to cope with Pogba's absence in October. Pogba is a big physical presence besides offering creativity and has an excellent shot from outside box (sometimes, tight matches are decided by one such moment of brilliance)

    Let us see how we do in the match vs Pool.
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    RooneyLegend Full Member

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    That performance vs Southampton makes it clear how much we're gonna miss him in matches vs real ball playing teams.
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    exactly. The Moscow away game should have been tricky as is Southampton. I feel we have coped just fine as you can win EPL games physically.
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    It's a bit like Man City and De Bruyne. You take him out of the team and they're still good, but that doesn't diminish his worth. Barca too were pretty good without Messi a couple of seasons ago when Neymar carried the team. That's the great thing about having big squads. An injury to Matic would however be a disaster.
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    Very much in terms of swag, creativity, chance creation, threat and squad depth.

    Yet we have been winning. This is what makes this team so dangerous.

    Although some will argue that we have been fortunate to be meeting not-so-strong teams. The counter arguement will be that we were drawing games against many of these so called not-so-strong opponents last season.
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    Nikelesh Reddy New Member

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    Matic and Lukaku are irreplaceable,so as long as these 2 stay fit,we should be fine this season.I think we can cope without other players,but Lukaku and Matic have to stay fit for the entire season....
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    In the games we have played Herrera would have been more than adequate replacement for Matic at DM. Any combination of midfielders should carry us through these games really, such is the potency of our attackers and the level of our opposition. We could survive without DDG too, hes made some world class saves but few at pivotal moments. Only Lukaku and his goals would we have struggled to replace.
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    Randall Flagg Worst of the best

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    That is true

    I suppose it's very hard to judge this utd side this season with or without Pogba
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    Matic helps to soften the loss of Pogba but we did struggle in midfield against Everton and Southampton.

    Fellaini brings something different but his passing range is well below the league average for a midfielder and over time I think that would have a negative impact.
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    Some merit to this statement Raoul but Mou also insists that "specialists" in each position is what he's after. We have nobody capable of replacing Pogba or his potential, just really good players who can do the job ... until they can't!

    We barely lost without Matic last year (but we all too infrequently won) so perhaps not irreplaceable but I hear your point. To be without Pogba and Matic would indeed be frightful! Let's hope Matic continues to get stronger and Pogba comes back sooner than later.
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    True. And I wasn't making the case that we are somehow better when he's not with us, just a more nuanced argument that Mourinho seems to have made progress of getting this group of players as a whole to play exactly as he wants us to, which means losing a starting player may not be as destructive to our play as it has been in the past.
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    We missed him against Southampton as they took over the midfield in the second half, wouldn't have happened with Pogba on as his athleticism and ability to change gears would have forced their press back, but apart from that the results haven't been effected however I miss watching him play, so yes I think we miss him.
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    It's the lower/mid tabe opposition teams that Pogba excels against, and we've done great without him, while still missing his creativity.

    Against Liverpool, City, Chelsea etc I'd almost rather have a mid 3 of Matic, Fellaini and Herrera, as Pogba can and does give away possession way too cheaply in those type of games.
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    Inigo Montoya Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!

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    Utter nonsense. You need your big players in big games. We have no creativity in midfield without him. We will be relying on graft rather than craft and hoping our front 3 carve out opportunities through their pace and strength
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    We obviously has been doing well for a couple of reasons
    1) He has not really lived up to his potential here yet
    2) We have good squad depth
    3) Easy fixtures

    That being said, he has abilities no one else in the squad has, so i fully expect him to get right back into the squad once hes fit. He does posses skills that at least no other of our midfielders and is that type of player that can create something out of nothing
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    I would rather lose De Gea for a couple of months to Pogba.
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    At the start of last season Pogba struggled in the big games. As one of 2 defensive midfielders in 4-2-3-1 he is not suited for the big games. In a 4-3-3 playing almost as a number 10 he didn't do enough going forward and so it didn't work much better.

    When we changed to 3-5-2 it worked really well though with Pogba having 2 strikers in front of him and being able to join the attack as well as defending. Don't see anyone in our squad capable of doing what he does in that role. Herrera and Fellaini can do it well, but we might lack some attacking threat playing with them both and Matic.

    We will see what Mourinho does against Liverpool.