How should the England Golden Generation have lined up?

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    tentan Full Member

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    Based on the 2006 team, how should have England lined up formation wise? 2006 was probably when most of the players were at their peak and should've done better.
    Was 4-4-2 always the answer anyway? Would 'Southgate's formations' have worked with this team?



    The famous 4-4-2 lineup


    -----------------Robinson--------------------

    Neville-----Terry--------Ferdinand-----Cole

    Beckham---Lampard----Gerrard-----J.Cole

    --------------Rooney-------Owen-------------


    Notable subs/players around the squad at the time

    David James

    Sol Campbell
    Wayne Bridge
    Jamie Carragher
    Ledley King

    Owen Hargreaves
    Michael Carrick
    Jermaine Jenas
    Aaron Lennon
    Stewart Downing

    Peter Crouch
    Darren Bent
    Theo Walcott
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    'Southgate's formations'

    3-5-2

    ---------------------Robinson--------------------

    ---------Neville------Terry-----Ferdinand

    Beckham------Lampard- ---Carrick-----Gerrard-----A.Cole

    ---------------Rooney-------Owen-------------


    4-3-3


    ----------------------Robinson

    Neville--------Terry---------Ferdinand-------Cole

    ----------------------Carrick-------------------------

    ----------Lampard---------------Gerrard----------

    Beckham----------Rooney-------------------J.Cole
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    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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    Carrick/Hargreaves for Scholes if there was definitely no way to convince him to come.
    Owen/Crouchy as impact subs.

    James
    Neville Terry Ferdinand Cole
    Scholes
    Lampard Gerrard
    Beckham Rooney J.Cole

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    Bwuk Full Member

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    Robinson
    Neville - Rio - Terry - Cole
    Scholes - Carrick
    Beckham - Lampard - Gerrard
    Rooney​
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    Billy Blaggs Flacco of the Blaggs tribe

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    I agree with the 4-3-3 posted.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Carrick started against Ecuador, Hargreaves started against Portugal. They did not play 4-4-2 in the important matches. It was 4-3-3
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    The 352 with those players would have been very interesting, albeit in 06 I would have had Hargo rather than Carrick in the midfield.
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    A 3 at the back with Sol, Terry and Rio could have been pretty sweet too. Would Beckham as wing-back be too much of an ask at 2006?

    James
    Campbell Terry Rio
    Beckham Gerrard Hargreaves A.Cole
    Lampard
    Rooney Crouch​

    There was a lot to work with regardless.
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    James
    Nev - Rio - Campbell - A. Cole
    Becks - Scholes - Carrick/Hargreaves
    Gerrard or Lampard alongside Rooney in floating roles
    Owen
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    Robinson
    Neville Rio Terry Cole
    Hargreaves
    Beckham Gerrard
    Scholes
    Owen Rooney​
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    Once again England's lineup against Ecuador.


    GK 1 Paul Robinson
    RB 16 Owen Hargreaves
    CB 5 Rio Ferdinand
    CB 6 John Terry
    LB 3 Ashley Cole
    DM 18 Michael Carrick
    RM 7 David Beckham (c)
    CM 4 Steven Gerrard
    CM 8 Frank Lampard
    LM 11 Joe Cole
    CF 9 Wayne Rooney

    And against Portugal


    GK 1 Paul Robinson
    RB 2 Gary Neville
    CB 5 Rio Ferdinand
    CB 6 John Terry
    LB 3 Ashley Cole
    RM 7 David Beckham (c)
    CM 4 Steven Gerrard
    CM 16 Owen Hargreaves
    CM 8 Frank Lampard
    LM 11 Joe Cole
    CF 9 Wayne Rooney
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    Owen was never really ready for this World Cup.
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    Robinson

    Beckham
    Ferdinand
    Terry
    Campbell
    Cole

    Gerrard
    Scholes
    Lampard

    Rooney
    Owen/Crouch
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    James
    Neville Rio Terry Cole
    Carrick
    Scholes Lampard
    Gerrard
    Owen Rooney​
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    I think this group lacked two important types, a playmaker and a No. 9. Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard were different types of players, but all of them played their best football when they work in spaces behind a striker playing in front of them. And although Rooney was good as a No. 9 and Gerrard and Lampard were playmakers, this team would improve greatly with a Scholes/Alonso and a Drogba/Torres.
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    James
    Campbell Ferdinand Terry
    Beckham Hargreaves Carrick A. Cole
    Lampard
    Crouch Rooney​
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    ---------James
    Neville-Rio-Terry-Cole
    -----Carrick/Hargreaves
    ----Scholes---Gerrard
    Beckham-----------J.Cole
    ---------Rooney

    This side has 3-4 excellent passers: the whole midfield and Becks. But not enough width, pace or dynamism. Becks wasn't fast and didn't really beat players by dribbling past them. Joe Cole was not a winger either. This side should be defensively solid, great on set pieces and then hoping for individual brilliance from Rooney or Gerrard.
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    Didn't matter how they lined up, Ricardo hates the english. You guys lost on penalties twice, always confuses me why there are so many complaints about the tactics when they were perfectly fine. It's not like Scolari was a tactical genius either...

    Rooney got subbed off due to injury in the 27th minute in 2004 and got sent off in the 62nd minute in 2006. Neither Crouch or Vassell were quite good enough replacements and both games became much easier for us after Rooney was gone.
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    The 'Golden Generation' was about just as good as the Golden Company.
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    Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes midfield 3 would've gotten overrun. Need atleast one of Hargo / Carrick (ideally both). This means making some tough decisions and dropping one of Lampard / Gerrard but no english coach was really able to do that.
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    People realize Scholes retired in 2004 right?
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    James
    Neville Terry Ferdinand Cole
    Lampard Hargreaves Gerrard
    Beckham Rooney J.Cole
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    Crouch
    Rooney
    Joe Cole ----- Scholes -- Gerrard(C)
    Hargeaves
    A. Cole -- Terry -- Rio -- G. Neville
    James​

    Subs: Robinson, Campbell, King, Carragher, Carrick, Lampard, Beckham, Lennon, Owen​

    Honestly, I don't remember Beck still being that good at that time in 2006 nor after, but still have a lethal consistent-enough freekick and crossing abilities.

    Impact subs
    :
    ++ Owen and Lampard when we need goals.
    + Lennon for pace and right width.
    + Becks when we need to use his skills eg. stubborn defense and the attacks are misfiring, or need more quick direct approach.
    +++ Campbell, King and Carragher to close winning game if have to, then change system to 3 CBs/5 defenders.

    Rooney at this time is not ready to lead the attack solo as CF and better as roaming SS, so need Crouch who can post-play CF and always a threat with his post-play and technical skills. Scholes is needed there to balance the whole thing acting as the "controller" which England is clearly missing. Hargreaves to be the engine i.e. energy and protection, at the centre, putting him out wide = midfield is still imbalance. Gerrard as a free-role RM that move inwards and b2b role, like how he did with Rafa's Liv and later on with Eng effectively. Make him captain so he won't complain playing at the position he hates (kidding, I don't see anyone else better in the starting 11 as captain tbh). GNev is enough there to provide the right width and crosses, while the two Coles are awesome on the left. Defense is good individually, not great as a whole unit, but fine.

    If Scholes still don't want to rejoin. Replace with Carrick.

    Crouch
    Rooney
    J. Cole --- Gerrard

    Hargreaves -- Carrick
    A. Cole -- Terry -- Rio -- G. Neville
    James
    CF
    SS
    AM -- AM
    DM -- DM
    LB -- CB -- CB -- RB
    GK
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    MyOnlySolskjaer Creator of Player Performance threads

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    I'm assuming they mean they would have tried more to convince him. Not playing him on the left and convincing him he's a big part of the plans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jul/26/paul-scholes-england-comeback

    It's clear Scholes felt there was unfinished business even after this World Cup. Managers didn't show they wanted him enough. Capello didn't even ask him himself.