How to beat City? | without Pogba

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    sammsky1 Pochettino's #1 fan

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    The derby is coming up, and it seems like a 'must win' for us if our title aspirations are to be taken seriously.

    Ive been thinking about it, and beyond parking the bus and hoping to score on the counter or off a set piece, Im not sure what else he can do?

    How does Mourinho have to set up and instruct tactics over 90 mins to win?
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    Make it physical. Break the game up a lot and turn it into a scrappy affair. Not crap our pants on the ball.
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    vi1lain caf sexpert

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    Attack the space

    In all seriousness, I think we need to play similarly like we did against Chelsea at home last season.
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    AXVnee7 Full Member

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    Every player has to perform optimally, we can't afford to carry passengers. The midfield will be absolutely crucial and we can't have a Mkhi going missing.

    Tactically I think we will go long and try to bypass a strong pressing team. I'd expect we'll try and get it wide and try and whip some crosses in.
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    downxandxout Supports Manc...ini

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    We need to score one more than them.
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    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

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    Target Delph.

    Also Kompany will be playing and he’s had more than a few nightmares against us in recent times.
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    Be brave and look to play in the space left behind their fullbacks. Look to exploit them at set pieces and get at their centre backs early and stop them playing out from the back.
    The days of being able to bully a footballing side has gone, so it will be about individual responsibility and good communication.
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    I think so too, but it'll be a lot more difficult. With that game we had Herrera man mark their most dangerous player all game and it worked wonders. Who do we even mark in this City team? It's full of danger.

    We just need everyone at their very best, keep it tight, watch their runs and don't give them room in our half. We can't just simply park the bus, hoof it up and hope for a jammy goal. Quick, cutting counter attacks are key but I don't think we're that good at them.
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    redsquad New Member

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    we need to pack the midfield and exploit the spaces out wide to get Martial and Rashford 1 v 1 against Walker and Delph,last time out when we lost 2-1 we played a two man midfield of Pogba and Fellaini and got absolutely overrun.
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    I have only seen them play like 3 times this season. Everton, Bournemouth & Feyenoord at the Etihad. They struggled in all 3. If I watch the game, we'll win.
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    Have to say they do not have plan B. Yes their plan A so far has been effective. But today I could see frustration in their players. They had no plan B. I feel if the teams keep it tight and be ambitious they can be well beaten. They are no barca or even last year real madrid. I will even say Jose's chelsea were tough to beat than this city side. Today's game should.open teams eyes and one should not give them this much respect. I feel arsenal gave them too much respect, same with chelsea. City can be beaten
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    When Citys been close to drawing/losing its been against opponents who had a counterattacking approach who were solid on the ball with quick passes.

    Playing very physical could be something they'e not used to too. Matic will be vital.
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    RedDevilCanuck Quite dreamy - blue eyes, blond hair, tanned skin

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    Long balls to Fellaini and lukaku.

    I'm not even joking.
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    Man mark KDB and suffocate the midfield area.
    Let Lukaku sit out with Martial and Rashford upfront starting.
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    Reckon we need to score a goal.
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    If Jose's United turn up, the best chance is to beat them if they make a mistake and we capitalize. If we play to our strengths instead of worrying what City can do, we might win as the talent we have is on par. Just need the forwards to be looking to attack rather than worrying about tracking back all the time.
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    I think we're giving Rashford a run of games at RW to see if he has it in him to target Delph.
    If not it'll be Mkhi with a midfield 3
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    Machine gunners by the corner flags and landmines near the halfway line.
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    Careful you might trigger a few posters
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    As others have mentioned, make it physical. Make it ugly. Make it nasty.

    We have the players to do that, they don't.
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    The best tactic is to unsettle them physically. We are the stronger and taller side and that's something that has to be used to our advantage. Put them under pressure at set pieces and make sure we win all the 50-50's. When I say this I don't mean just parking the bus and hoofing the ball upfield; there has to be a purpose behind everything we do and playing at OT means we need to attack them. It's all about utilizing your strengths the best you can and exposing the weaknesses of your opponent. Physicality is something City cannot compete with us on so let's use it as much as possible. We don't have the skill and quality on the ball they do so don't allow them too much time to play from the back etc.
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    Never give Silva & KDB many spaces to create chances although it's very difficult to do it because they are very smart to look for spaces for themselves.

    or maybe, just kick their legs hard so they cant play comfortably (not recommended).
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    At least play Ibra instead of Lukaku. Lukaku can't win aerial challenges to save his life. I've never seen such a big, physically imposing man that can't even compete against tiny full backs.
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    sammsky1 Pochettino's #1 fan

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    Making it ‘physical’ is very hard nowadays given how much all players right lol around after the slightest touch and referee’s handing out yellow cards like candy. So I’m not sure how one implements such a tactic.
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    Press KDB relentlessly and our fullbacks have to give their wide players a yard or two for pace. Sitting back a bit should work. They rely on pace and balls in behind. Cut those out and we have more than enough talent to score ourselves.
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    Do everything that a Mourinho team should be good at:
    • Go at them with pace, relentlessly
    • Park the bus but actually counter at every opportunity
    • Long balls. Get everyone up for corners
    • Man mark players. Herrera should be doing a job on De Bruyne

    Kill the little feckers.
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    This means Smalling should not play. Hopefully Rojo and Bailly will get some time together either at Arsenal or CSKA.
    Also think we need to play a Fellaini Matic Pogba midfield.
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    Question - How viable would it be to have Herrera or someone do a man-mark job on KDB?
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    We'll park the bus, they'll break through in the first half 1-0. Mourinho will then park it even deeper to ensure he doesn't get embarrassed and they'll see the boring game out, toying with possession and maybe getting a second.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls

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    And ideally one more than they scored.
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    It'll just open up space for Silva, Sterling or Sane who can also torch us on any given day. Man marking De Bruyne's pretty hard anyway, he's just so clever.
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    Crosses, corners and air power in general.
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    They'd be looking to go down on slightest contact and then get freekicks and penalties that way, its all built in their mentality and pep's mentality. that's how they operate.
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    Bad idea, more than likely a sending off waiting to happen, similiar to when we tried this against Hazard last year. Although I do agree that we cannot be overrun in midfield, absolutely cannot play a 4231. I'd suspect we'll go with a 352 to control the middle, but I'd really prefer a 433.
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    Would be the final straw for me if he does that at home.
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    It is necessary to match their intensity. Otherwise luck will be needed.

    Huddersfield created them problems today because they worked very hard. Huddersfield play with quite intensity too: 3rd in the most sprints table. A lot of running and sprinting is needed to close down spaces and stopping them from creating chances.
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    We don't play counter-attacking football, we won't start doing it in a game of this magnitude. My prediction, as others have said, is Jose will set up defensively and physically, keep it airtight at the back and concentrate on nothing but a clean sheet first and foremost. If we can get a few set-pieces around their box, he'll hope for one of our big boys to get something on a cross. 1-0 will be what Jose will be setting up for, but he'll probably not be devastated by 0-0. I wouldn't hold you breath hoping for us to go at them, we simply won't - we'll try and out-musle them and throw them off their game-plan.

    We don't have many fast players, I just can't see us charging around and pressuring them - we'll be deep, mark my words.
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    Press them hard and high up the pitch, match their intensity. Give them no space or time on the ball.
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    I think we should start Ibra over Lukaku with Martial and Rashford on the wings. Play a midfield 3 of Pogba, Fellani and Matic and sit back and compress the space that they have to play in. When we win the ball, play back to front as quick as we can and get on the break. We won't dominate possession so we will need to play on the counter.
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    Get Moysie's blueprint out from the win against Arsenal.
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    ----------------------Rashford----------------
    -------Pogba - Matic - Fellaini - Herrera
    Darmian - Rojo - Bailly - Lindelof - Valencia
    ------------------------De Gea-------------------

    Set one player on each of their players and keep lobbing balls towards Rashford at every opportunity.
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    Get physical in midfield, force KDB and Silva to do some defending, and target Delph.

    Use height at corners/set pieces, don't give Sterling a reason to take a tumble