How would Kagawa have fared under Ole?

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    Mr.Ridiculous__ The name says it all

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    Are we allowed to make threads on random thoughts that pop into your head, when you're supposed to be working? I'll carry on, regardless.
    Shinji Kagawa is, in my opinion, the textbook definition of a 'system player', the kind that thrives exceedingly well in a tactical system that suits them, stink the place elsewhere. The 2011-2012 period at Dortmund, Klopp played his Gegenpress system, with fast interchanging attackers and that suited Shinji to the tee. His first touch, ability to pick out an early pass and his interplay made him pivotal in that squad.

    For all the talk about the United way, Fergie's last few years were pretty average in a footballing sense. Static movement and a play style that led to the term 'zombie passing' being coined on this forum, defined our game. In fact, one of Kagawa's earliest comments about United was that we pass the ball sideways a lot. Moyes was a bad dream and LVG was just too passive.

    Fast forward to Ole. In my opinion, we are playing our best football (aesthetically) in a long long time. Martial, Rashford, Lingard interchanging, one-touch passing, and quick interplay. This is exactly the type of game, where Kagawa helped maul teams of Bayern's calibre.
    Of course, Kagawa is at Dortmund, nor do I want him here. I want opinions on how a 2012-2013 Kagawa would have done in this team. Personally, I feel a 4-2-2-2 like this would have been devasting:
    ---------------------------------Le God
    --------------------------Four non-injured dudes
    --------------------------- Matic----------Herrera
    --------------------------Kagawa---------------Pogba
    -----------------------------Martial----Rashford

    This would have allowed Martial and Rashford to push even higher up the field while we still retain control of the midfield.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    youmeletsfly New Member

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    I'm going to go full lunatic here and say that I would've loved to see Kagawa under Pep.

    I don't know, he seemed such a Pep type of player, brilliant movement, good short and incisive passing.

    I think that his issue was his timid personality though.

    On topic: To have Kagawa and Pogba in the above setup you'd need a hell of a defense.
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    charlenefan Far less insightful than the other Charley

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    This

    I couldn't even tell you where he is now, Dortmund still?
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    Mr.Ridiculous__ The name says it all

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    I am going to get a lot of reactions of this kind. But that's not the point.
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    Definitely living up to the tagline.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    Snafu17 Full Member

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    We don't even know how our current players will fare under Ole.
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    fellaini's barber Full Member

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    Fecks sake
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    We already have Mata who is a better player, both nned to occupy the middle and even then Mata is still the better option.
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    Next up, How would David Bellion have fared under Ole?
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    Mr.Ridiculous__ The name says it all

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    Fecking hell guys. Read the OP please. (especially the bolded bits). It's just a fun scenario. Sigh
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    Sauldogba New Member

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    Agree with this to be honest.
    Sorry OP :lol:
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    He wouldn’t have worked but what about Djemba Djemba ?
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    What was the name of that guy really obsessed with Kagawa?
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    These threads... Stop. Please, stop
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    Such a random thread!
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    What about Bebe?
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    Mr.Ridiculous__ The name says it all

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    It would have been kinda nice if folks actually bothered to read what the OP was about.:(
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    EwanI Ted Full Member

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    Every player who ever failed at United for any reason ever would be banging then in under Ole. Defo.
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    Mr.Ridiculous__ The name says it all

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    Obviously not. But when we talk about how a Martial would have been effective under Guardiola given his style, we could perhaps think of a player we have let go that might have been better in this system.

    Edit: I wouldn't have thought about this under Mourinho for instance. Sad man-management aside, his style was so much more different.
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    Alex99 Rehab's Pete Doherty Scout

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    He is available on the cheap right now, he is not needed anymore at Dortmund and has been told he can leave.
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    How would Jose fare under Ole? Hey, he was a player too once..:)
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    Razvan Full Member

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    But the important questions is: how would Veron have fared under Ole?
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    I’ve always had a soft spot for Kags. Wouldn’t be a stretch imo to imagine he’d be playing well under Ole’s system. Worrying though that he can’t even get a look under Dortmund’s current setup and will most likely be leaving this winter. Shame as he had a decent World Cup for Japan and thought his career would kick on this season. :(
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    12OunceEpilogue Full Member

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    How would Ole have fared under Ole?

    The thread has been utterly torched but in seriousness Kagawa got screwed by Fergie leaving and Moyes coming in, as did plenty of other players. As for now yes he'd suit our current tactics more so than at any time since 2012 when he joined, but so would just about any player because we've mostly been shite.
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    Not sure how prime Kagawa would fit here, at his prime at Dortmund was essentially a support striker, behind Lewandowski or Barrios. We have Pogba already playing as an attacking midfielder. Unfortunately, Kagawa's career here ended the moment RVP was signed.
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    He'd be on the bench if he were lucky enough to make the squad.
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    Better than Salah but a level below Milner.
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