How would you conduct the rebuild?

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  1. May 13, 2019
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    lysglimt Full Member

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    I would release or sell 6-7 players this summer (Herrera, Valencia, Rojo, Darmian, Bailly, Sanchez) + probably Mata, and DDG if he wants to leave. That will give us something between £40m-£100m. If DDG goes I would ask Henderson to come back and fight for the number 1 spot. If he says no - I would go with Romero and Grant for now.

    Keep Lukaku and Pogba unless they absolutely decide they want to go.

    I would sign 2 defenders - one commanding CD and Wan Bissaka. I would not sign a young CD, I would go for an experienced and established who can lead or other defenders. Combine that with Shaw and Lindelöf and you at least have a decent defense.

    Midfield I would get Rice, one creative CM who can keep the ball (probably someone from Spain or Portugal) and a winger/striker.

    I would not sign a striker - Greenwood showed that he is close to being good enough - and if we keep Martial, Rashford and Lukaku - we should be ok for 12 months.

    So if we end up with a team like
    DDG - Shaw, VNL, good CD, Wan-Bissaka - Rice, McTominay - Fernandes, Pogba, Good winger - Rashford

    Squad: Romero, Dalot, Young, Jones, Smalling, Lingard, Matic, Martial, Greenwood, Lukaku, Fred, Pereira, Gomes, Chong, Garner

    I will be ok

    But by the end of 2021 - Young and Matic must go + Fred, Pereira, Lukaku, Martial and Pogba all need to step up or they should be the casualties that summer.
  2. May 13, 2019
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    Sorry guys, WoT. Been thinking about this for awhile and a few drinks helped to crystallize my thoughts (and the dirty feeling of cheering for City so that You'll Never Win Anything still holds true for the BPL).

    Structure and organisation - these should be overarching theme for the 'rebuilding'. In the normal corporate context, you pay the so-called management consultants millions to do stuff like this but well, what do they know. Some of my thoughts (in order of priority).

    1. Overall structure and organisation - Whatever we have now is junk, that much we can agree. Jose, for all his faults, called it out and well, results over the post-SAF speak for themselves. So the plan (hopefully it's more than a plan by now), reorganize the club's management along the lines of a modern football club. Forget about what worked for SAF and Gill, we've been trying too hard to replicate what worked for them, but well, times have changed and so should we. P.S., for those who are interested, there's a section in the book 'Good to Great' (yes, Moyes' fav), that discusses the difference between a level 4 and a level 5 leader - as great as SAF had been, he's still falls within level 4 leader cause well, the manchester united machinery was designed over the years to be wielded by one or two men (SAF and Gill) and when they left... the hollow feeling in our hearts tell it all.

    So what's next? Well, as GN said, we need the 'best in class'. And that starts with the Club's management structure.

    CEO - fine, we'll probably have to live with Ed here (realistically, he's not likely to go). That said, he should just stick with the 'money making' stuff and leave the football matters to people who know their stuff. As CEO though, it's still fair that he dictates budget and has oversight over the expenditure.

    DoF / Technical Director - terminology aside, this should be the 'football CEO'. Personally, i hate management by committees so I would say that this should be one person and supported by a team of staff below him (including the manager). This person should have the highest oversight over all football matters and well, the key KPI should be well, win everything every season (within budget set by Ed). As with all CEOs, a key attribute must be strategic vision (which we lack big time ... looking at you Ed) - that means, the ability to not just ensure we have the 'best in class' today, but tomorrow and the day after as well. This would involve putting the Club at the forefront of all innovation (e.g. adoption sports science / technology, future planning for the teams, contract renewals, squad rejuvenation, tactical innovation etc), he doesn't have to do it himself, just needs to ensure that the structure he has will put the Club in the best position to receive.

    Others - this is getting draggy so i'll keep my points short. With a 'great' DoF / Technical Director (realistically, we need a miracle worker here), the structure below should fall into place. Scouting process would be streamlined (Jose b*tched about this non-stop but hey, for next steps, how bout machine learning / AI to for scouting, that's shut even him up (if it works)), contract negotiations more organised (hate the 'is he staying or leaving' crap. It should be Either they stay or they leave, no maybes), recruitment structured (we know who we want, and why we want them and how the fit into our 'philosophy'. No more buying just to pis* City off). Most importantly, integration across the multiple departments within the Club (i.e. youth team managers knows what they need to do focusing on to get their players ready for the first team, first team manager and DoF are in sync with the development of each player and how the fit in the cog etc).

    2. our football Philosophy - the dreaded 'P' word.... Well, love it or hate it, we can't do without it. The players need to know what the plan is out there, be it bore them to death by 10000 passes or ultra attacking, keeper sweeper (Neuer style) etc, and the team needs to be constructed and planned for along this plan. Too often, we either have no plan out there or the players decide to take free style to the next level (a.k.a. play like u first met each other and play like you're having a Sunday kick-a-bout) - a key sign of this is well, we don't make runs or create space. Take the simplest task, playing out from the back - when our players receive the ball, they control (shit) and scan and hesitate on the next step because they're no options. For all Smalling's limitations, not even Beckenbauer or Baresi (combined) could play the ball out if well, the team infront is not well-drilled to make runs or create space for the ball to be played into... arrgh.

    Ok so yeah. what's Ole philosophy then. From the his first few games (literally the highlight of our season), he wants to press high, win the ball high, push the full backs high, quick passes and bam.... Well, if that's what he wants, we'll need to build a team to make that happen. So what do we need, again, structure and organisation he shouldn't be expected to do it himself, and we should work to give him a team of support staff who can best bring his ideas to the pitch (think SAF bringing Queiroz). And this would mean more than just, well, talking to team about this 'P' and I'm looking at detailed playbooks and statistical analysis on what is required. Players need to be drilled on what to do to effect play, when and where to run, how to beat the press, how to press, how and where to channel, where are the primary and secondary runs etc. Sounds boring, LVG tried, Jose tried, well... it all went to crap because players want to be 'free to play'.... errm, well, I think the response has to be too bad, if u don't buy into the 'P', then off u go. This should be the baseline for a modern professional team - i'm thinking we can move towards the NFL style 'playbook' (but maybe that's too much) but at least, the level of detail required pretty substantial - I recall someone's biography (maybe keane) describing how Queiroz prepared the 2009 team for Barcelona, the pitch was divided into various zones using mats and players are drilled to work along those zones. Yeah, that's the level of detail and preparation a modern football team needs.

    3. player recruitment - this is the last point and I would say, the least pressing of the 3 above. I believe that once we have 1 and 2 above, this should fall into place. So anyway, the fun part. who should we sign and who should we sell this summer.

    In

    CB - J Boateng or Hummels or errm... Pepe?

    MC - Luka Modric or Rakitic or errm Rabiot?

    AMR / FC - Bale

    Out (must go)

    LKK, Rojo, Sanchez

    Lemme explain. The issue of whether the team steps out with a coherent plan aside, I think our biggest lack this season are well, personality and leadership. The loss of big personalities like Zlatan and Rooney are felt most this season and Pogba and gang are allowed to dominate the dressing room and set the 'culture'. All accounts describe Pogba as having a 'big personality' but well, he is not a effective leader or suitable for the 'top dog' role in the team. I don't know him personally of course, but I'm guessing that the key reason is the lack of self-discipline (look at how often he drifts off in games, stops tracking back for no good reason, goes on a wacky dribble and take-on in the middle of the pitch etc). He and the team needs, well, some one who can control and enforce discipline (on and off the pitch) - can you imagine what Keane would do if he finds out that someone in the team wants to drive his rolls royce to games instead of taking the team bus. Zlatan and Rooney would probably not stand for that crap as well. So yeah, for the next 'in', I think we should really focus on personality and leadership and that's why my choice of more senior players, with a shorter horizon on playing time and more on rebuilding team ethos and culture.

    I think Godin would be a good catch but well, Inter came first. Boateng is currently not well favored at Bayern and well, could be a realistic prospect to tempt to Old Trafford. DDG and our other centre backs are generally bad at controlling the area or things in front of them, a senior CB with the pedigree and command would be very helpful, think of someone screaming at Pogba track back or cut the tricks (which no one really does) or Matic to well, channel the player better. If the Bayern guys can't do it, well, there's Pepe. Been there, done that and never shy to make his feelings known, would do the job for the next season.

    Center of the park, same thinking. Modric or Rakitic would be class, would be great a setting the tempo (we can't do that this season) and have the gravitas to control and manage the other guys.

    Bale - Worth a punt and if it works out, great. If not, well, it just means we swapped Sanchez for him. But realistically, I think it'll do wonders for the young ones with someone to look up to and well, we can't get Cristiano back this time, so we'll have to settle for a punt in Bale.
  3. May 13, 2019
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    I think Gary Neville was right. First and foremost, we need to build a squad that we can be proud of and a squad we can all get behind.

    I think from the outside looking in, it's difficult for some fans (both our own and opposition) to understand why United fans have turned on the team with the ferocity or the apathy that we've seen growing over the last few months. I think the reality for me is that I really struggle to stand by these players because to me, many of them embody everything that is wrong with modern football. Not only that but both the stats and visual evidence suggest that this team just does not commit the same levels of effort and endeavour on the pitch as the other 19 teams in the PL.

    For starters, I would like 23-players who connect with the club. They don't have to be English, but having the right attitude and understanding what the club means is important. Herrera was a good example of someone who came into the club from overseas but instantly understood what it meant to be a Man United player. I question whether the likes of Martial, Bailly, Sanchez, amongst others, really understand this.

    With the resources we have, we should be able to pick up young talent with the right enthusiasm and attitude both domestically and abroad. Of course, not all of these signings will work out, but I really can't take any more of these 'celebrity' signings. Bringing in players like Falcao, Schweinsteiger, Di Maria and Sanchez sends out the wrong message. It alerts every mercenary agent and player in the world. In fact, I would lead with a policy of saying that United, under no circumstances, will pay top wages to players. I would actually make a point of offering LESS than our rivals, to make sure that the players motivations are correct. We had this filter in 2005....the likes of Ronaldo and Rooney were supposedly offered mega-bucks by Chelsea but we stuck rigidly to our wage structure and I think with hindsight, we were all the better for it. These players joined Manchester United because they wanted to win trophies and play with fantastic players, not because they saw us a 'platform' to launch their latest business venture or because we offered 50% more than the next highest bidder.

    Personally, I think in terms of quality we are probably 10/15pts behind City and Liverpool, all other things being equal and IF our players put their best foot forward every game. I believe the other 15pts or so is about attitude, discipline and application. Not just running around like a headless chicken but respecting the manager, the fans and your teammates and understanding your responsibilities.

    If that means a clearout and re-building with some players who are not necessarily household names then so be it! We've missed out on so many good players coming out of the lower leagues in the last few seasons, its time we started targeting a totally different sort of player because you can no longer buy them once they've proved themselves at mid-level (Carrick, Ferdinand etc....)
  4. May 13, 2019
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    1. Sack Woodward
    2. Get in a competent CEO
    3. Hire DoF or Football Technical Director
    4. Get in a more competent manager as I don't have all that much faith in Ole and his 'philosophy'
    5. Get rid of the average 'hard working' British players a la Young, Smalling, Lingard, and Jones.
    6. With a firm philosophy and playing style in hand, sign quality young (and a few experienced) players to add to the rest of the squad.
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    Get in a experienced DOF (Not Darren fecking Fletcher) then get rid of 3/4 players and replace with top quality in this transfer window overlooked by the new DOF. Then in Jan buy and sell a couple more and if Ole ain't improved then start the process of sacking and bringing in Poch.

    More importantly we need a clear direction the club is heading towards and anyone who comes in players or new manager have to work towards this. That's why the DOF is very important and should be bought in before anything else.

    Btw I'm 100% behind Ole but the club comes first so if by Jan nothing's happened get rid!
  6. May 13, 2019
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    Ruthless clearout with a focus on youth development. With some of the big talent transfer targets looking unlikely to move this summer bring in experienced quality to supplement and go all out for them next summer and start putting the finishing pieces on a team...

    Out £300m

    DDG £50m PSG
    Grant who cares
    Valencia free South America
    Young free Villa
    Bailly £15m Lyon
    Jones £15m WHam
    Rojo £10m Fenerbache
    Matic £10m Milan
    Herrera free Psg
    Pogba £130m Real
    Lingard £20m Palace
    Mata free Barca
    Alexis free or at a loss to Asia
    Rom £50m Inter

    In £275m

    Meunier £20m
    Alderweireld £25m
    Ndombele £60m
    Bruno £60m
    Zaha £40m
    Jovic £70m

    Promote Henderson, Axel, Garner, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood.

    First XI

    —————-Jovic
    Martial——Bruno——Zaha
    ———Ndom—McTom
    Shaw—Toby——Lind—Meun
    —————Romero

    Main subs

    Hendo Dalot Axel Fred Pereira Rash Mason

    Squad players

    Darm Mike Garner Gomes Chong

    On the fringe

    Laird O’Connor Williams

    Next summer: all out for De Ligt, Felix and Sancho.
  7. May 13, 2019
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    goin4glory Full Member

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    You start with the defence because it's the easiest area to make significant improvements. RB and LCB to partner Lindelof. Bissaka/Alderwereld would certainly make a difference.
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    The Re-Build:

    1. Appoint the ARCHITECT - in our case an experienced DoF
    2. Appoint the PROJECT MANAGER - needs to be best in class. Is Ole good enough? Poch, Allegri, Tuchel etc.
    3. Build the FOUNDATIONS - this starts with the defence. New CB & RB essential.
    4. FIRST FLOOR - a lot of time spent here. New DM & AM.
    5. TOP FLOOR (The Bedrooms) - The main area of excitement. Fast and tricky new RW plus a proven STRIKER. This is where the orgasms are created.
    6. WINDOWS - will probably need 3 (Summer 2019, Jan 2020, Summer 2020).
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    1. Have to decide on style of play. I would venture to guess that most want to see swashbuckling football that is fast paced and exciting.

    2. Get a DoF who espoused the tenets of Fergie’s style

    3. Get a CEO who is football savvy and can coordinate with DoF regarding financials and player/talent acquisition.

    4. Have to have a legacy plan for each position.

    5. Need to refrain from excessive sentimentality. While loyalty is a big part of Fergie’s legacy there has to be reason and sense involved. No more situations like Phil Jones

    6. Get all teams under United playing the same style with the same philosophy and ethos.

    7. Find a young dynamic/innovative manager

    8. Improve scouting and play younger dynamic players.
  10. May 13, 2019
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    To conduct the rebuild, Ole and the board will be trying to begin shape what the squad might look like 2 years from now. Perhaps with an intention/hope to bring in Sancho a year from now.... And a few experienced heads like Gueye, Cancelo in the meantime until more kids are ready. Something like...
    A Goalkeeper
    Dalot Koulibaly Lindelof Shaw
    Garner McTominay
    Maddison
    Sancho Greenwood Rashford​
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    1. Get rid of Ed, or at least kick him away from making the football decisions.

    2. Appoint a visionary Planner that understand football and have the skills required or willing to learn quickly, need to have some natural people's skills eg. in transfers and contracts, in charge of being the head in making all the key football decisions i.e. the Director or if the club want to use a different name idk like board member maybe who make dominant strong key decisions.

    3. A Manager with a clear vision of what system he's intending to build and seriously have a good coaching skills and "motivating" skills (motivation have many styles). Also what kind of squad does he want to build. Don't know if the current manager knows what he's doing or not.. doesn't seem like he knows.

    That's the foundation -- Director then Manager below.
    Everything else will come into play well.

    We can skip the first two (tch if we have to eg. owner and ed don't want to comply), if the Manager can also do the job of the 2nd.
    Basically a person doing the role of Director + Manager well eg. Busby and Fergie (yeah officially they're not DoF but what they're doing as officially Managers are exactly that) and they insist on having strong powers within the club, I mean Busby got the promise when he signed the contract and reinforce it through his achievements, and Ferguson got it through his achievements and convincing work behind the scenes.
  12. May 13, 2019
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    We should go completely back to first principles when it comes to signings. Which means not signing players who are:

    1. Older than 27.
    2. Taking a step down to come to us.
    3. Have a history of disruptive behavior.
    4. Demanding wages which would disrupt the dressing room.
  13. May 14, 2019
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    1) Edwin Van Der Saar as DOF

    2) Ensure a competant coaching set up to compliment Ole. I don't doubt his management skills and charisma but can't say the same about his tactical nous.

    3) Get rid of all deadwood to reignite a proper culture. All to be sold over next 2 seasons except DDG, Rashford, Shaw, Dalot, Lindelof.

    4) Promote deserving youth players as squad players esp Gomes, Greenwood, Gardner.

    5) Keep a rein on wage structure and stop paying for mediocre players. Do not be held hostage to unreasonable contract renewal demands and only pay for quality.

    6) Buy quality players with a longer time horizon in mind.

    7) Most crucially, get rid of the much perpetuated protectionism attitude of not buying a second quality player for a position just because the incumbent is a promising youth or established first teamer. No player should be guaranteed a spot and every spot for every game should be up for grabs. Let's return to the days where it really meant something to put on the shirt or step out onto Old Trafford.
  14. May 14, 2019
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    Nice work.
  15. May 14, 2019
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    If we were able to bring in £300m, which may be a bit optimistic, I'd hope the club would invest in a better winger than Zaha.
  16. May 14, 2019
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    It bothers me, clear the decks, the starting eleven on the first game in August gets 1 to 11
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    Sancho. Next summer. Having cleared all those wages off the books, we could blow everyone out of the water for him.

    And anyone else for that matter.
  18. May 14, 2019
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    I agree that the rebuild has to remain realistic as we have no champions league football to offer players. The aim next year has to be top 4 and a run in Europa to build confidence. Summer of 2020, with CL football is time to buy a 2-3 bigger names so we can compete for league.

    GK
    Let De Gea go for around £100m. He has been a great servant but it’s clear his heart is not with us anymore. I would promote Romero to Number 1 and use Grant/Henderson as back up

    DF
    Centre back is an issue and we need Koulibaly or Nathan Ake at CB. Lindelof should stay and we know Jones and Smalling are here to stay so that’s the cover. Bailly goes.

    Wingbacks should be Wan-Bissaka, Dalot, Shaw and Young (for now).

    MD
    Get rid of Pogba and Lingard, both are poison. We can keep McTominay, Fred, Matic and Perieria but need creativity so either Maddison or Brooks could do a job. Promote James Garner too.

    FW
    Rashford should be number 1 striker with Martial and Sancho off him. Sánchez and Lukaku could go with cover provided by Chong, Gomes and Greenwood who look like a trio to fear.
  19. May 14, 2019
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    That would do it.
    But, we won't.
  20. May 15, 2019
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    Building the team like this:

    4-3-3 (4-2-1-3)

    -------------------- De Gea --------------------
    -- Dalot -- Lindelof -- Koulibaly -- Shaw --
    -- Pogba -------‐--‐------‐--------- McTominay --
    ---------------- Bruno Fernandes ------------------
    ---- Pepe -------- Rashford -------- Odegaard ----
  21. May 16, 2019 at 08:43
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    In my opinion when you build a team, especially in the premier league, you start with your attack. It must have pace, it must always be able to get goals even from nothing and these two things will ensure it's able to frighten opposition defenses.

    We find ourselves in a situation where pretty much every area on the football pitch is underperforming. Goalkeeper, Defense, Midfield and Attack. After years of bailing the tean out, De gea has finally started turning in more human perfomances, this is also coinciding with his contract running down. Usually I'd say when you're rebuilding you must avoid clearing desks just for the sake of it but De Gea puts us in a difficult situation. I'd sell and bring in a more well rounded keeper without abilities ridiculously lop sided in favour of shot stopping but mediocre in other goalkeeping qualities. Onana or Lopes from Lyon could be good targets. Romero would also prove adequate until one of the new keeper settles.

    Our defenders are probably the biggest issue in the squad. I'd keep Smalling, Bailly and Tuanzebe. The rest i'd clear out. Then on top of that, bring in Maguire, he's not top class, but is good enough to be immediately our best defender. His distribution is also pretty good. I like Diop from west ham too and Alongside Maguire we'd be pretty formidable in the air. We quite obviously need fullbacks on both sides imo but at the risk of making too many change, I'd bring in Mounier for right back and give our player of the season another season as first choice despite my reservations of him longterm.

    Our midfield was not as problematic as the other areas imo, But a lot depends on the future of Pogba. His departure would mean a need for a completely new midfield. It would also need a rethink of our the midfield at United should work, i.e don't replace Pogba, create a functional midfield with specialists.

    In attack I think we should be getting more output from the players we have. Martial, Lingard, Rashford, Lukaku, Sanchez nomatter what anyone else says, are good enough to get this team into top 4 playing decent attacking football. However they have underperfomed for one reason or another imo coaching. And Sanchez's wages leave a bitter taste. I'd keep Martial, Rashford and Lingard. Martial and Rashford rotating for that LW spot, lingard as a squad player then Bring in Timo Werner for CF and Douglas Costa for RW. All of sudden we have a fluid front 3. With the right coaching and movement, there are enough goals in that side to make Top 4 whilst playing football we can at least enjoy.
  22. May 16, 2019 at 08:57
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    How can you make a solid rebuild without a solid Football Department. Do we have a vision for our future? A long term plan? What's the profile we are searching? Ambitious, determined, loyal, etc?
  23. May 16, 2019 at 09:07
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    This is absolutely key and for all the criticism of some of our recent decisions at least it really feels like we’re trying to develop this.

    Having consistency across everything, a unified vision we work to, this is what we seem to be aiming for by

    1) Getting in ex players into oversee running the club
    2) Promoting playing youth and signing young British players
    3) Prioritising culture of effort and passion. No accepting laziness, player power etc selling or dropping players who don’t fit that

    I think point 1 is the most criticised by in my opinion having a unified vision is better than not having one even if you get the best directors in football. Just because a DoF is good doesn’t mean he’ll succeed everywhere. Look at how Monchi failed at Roma and how Steve Walsh struggled at Everton. It’s about being the right fit more so than talent
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    - The former players are always important on a club. We need someone who had won more things under our shirt that players of our squad so they can feel the urge.
    - Promoting youth is easier said than done. To promote players you need a stable structure and give the conditions for that to happen, which usually means sacrifice a few wins in order to give youth players game time.
    - I also would like to add "highly professional" to the players profile, meaning that it doesn't matter how they are in their personal life, they will never slack.
  25. May 16, 2019 at 09:29
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    There are definitely some I would have put down and buried in the foundations.
  26. May 16, 2019 at 09:35
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    Here we go again. Does someone else want to tell him?
  27. May 16, 2019 at 09:38
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    My first aim would be to build the club on solid foundations.

    A- I'd use all my influence to persuade the club to get a top DOF (Campos), a head of recruitment (Mitchell) and a top head of youths (the Ajax guy).
    B- Then Id turn at the squad and remove the deadwood or players whose not giving their heart to the cause (Valencia, Young, Jones, Rojo, Mata, Martial, Lukaku etc)
    C- I'd bring in the players we need to stabilise the squad ie players who wouldn't cost a bomb (we can't afford that as we needs loads) but will give us the foundations to build upon ie Meunier on the right, Skriniar in exchange of Lukaku + money, Rabiot on a free, Ndidi, Zaha, Pepe, Bergwijn, Bruno Fernandes and Jovic
  28. May 16, 2019 at 10:09
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    Ayush_reddevil Full Member

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    For me the most important thing is to have a manager with a system , nothing is going to change without that . You need a manager who has a style of football and knows what he wants . It might sound crazy but a Sarri or Bielsa would be good for us and much better than just getting someone like a Jose who is obsessed with trophies . I hope Ole can show us a system and move on from just the rhetorical gibberish he keeps offering
  29. May 16, 2019 at 10:12
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    I think someone take a good look at every aspect of the club and thoroughly analyse it from top to bottom. I would then make a tick list of every single that needed fixing. I would then prioritise which needs sorting first then tick everything off in stages to getting us to fix our problems. To do this we are going to need a good Director of Football and whoever else we need on the football side to help Ole. Also I think that Woodward's only input on the football side should be giving the Director of Footbal (whenever we sign one) and Ole a set budget and then let them sort out the football side. Think a lot of players need to go one but too much for one summer. Think we need at minimum a quality centre-back, right back, right winger and midfielder and preferably a new striker and left back but I think that would be hoping too much. I think that would be a start. This is going to be a long process and needs to be partly handled with someone with more football experience than Woodward. We just need to keep showing progression so that we don't fall even further behind City.
  30. May 16, 2019 at 10:14
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    Ole again talking this morning (or at least published on the app this morning) about using pre-season to work a new philosophy and settle on a game plan. That's a start....
  31. May 16, 2019 at 10:15
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    cyril C Full Member

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    Great stuff. Sell DDG and promote Henderson as replacement. I have no problem to sell DDG if he doesn't sign the contract this month, but not bother to replace him? Sell Lukaku and promote Greenwood to replace him? I almost forgotten, we are relegated to Championship next season.
  32. May 16, 2019 at 10:43
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    Di Maria's angel Captain of Moanchester United

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    Appoint a youngish British manager, ideally Scottish, from one of the mid table teams. Attempt to sign two players from this team, fail and sign a one. I'd target Rodgers, Leicester, Ndidi and Chillwell.

    Sack him after 8 months and then appoint a manager that peaked along time ago. Say Fabio Capello. Spend a tonne of money, maybe sign Falcao from Monaco and di Maria from PSG.

    After two years, sign the recently sacked Chelsea manager - Jose Mourinho (after his 3rd spell), sign Fellaini from China and ask Ibra to come out of retirement. The re-build is complete.
  33. May 16, 2019 at 11:04
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    Hmm, that lot are insured though aren’t they?:lol:
  34. May 16, 2019 at 12:25
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    Send Ed Woodward back to London.....Sack Solksjaer And appoint someone good enough to manage this club....Appoint a top class DOF and restructure the scouting department...,
  35. May 16, 2019 at 13:00
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    Overhauling the squad will take 2 / maybe even 3 or 4 windows.

    I think it is vital whatever the results we need to stick with Ole for at least 2 seasons (4 windows)

    If we go panic mode, we'll just be in the same boat in a years time. Its absolutely vital we have some stability from a coaching/manager viewpoint.

    Now we all know Ed is a non-football guy and the background running of the club is not great.

    So for this summer window at least, transfers are done by Ed so maybe we wont see as much activity as we would like or is needed.

    Hopefully a DOF/similar is put in place soon and can begin working with Ole to ensure the vision aligned.

    The behind the scenes structure is just as important. What Ole needs to do is set up a style of play, and work with the players to get them 1)fitter 2)committed

    For the summer window, i'd focus on this:
    Outgoings:
    Sanchez/Darmian/Jones/Pogba/Lingard (already have Herrera/Valencia gone)
    Incomings:
    Wan Bissaka/Rice/James. we'd also need a CB and CM to replace Pogba

    With an eye on the future windows, for outgoings:
    Lukaku/Martial/Smalling/Rojo/Bailly
  36. May 16, 2019 at 15:52
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    Ultimately I think everyone basically agrees that the rebuild is going to be a mixture of hiring footballing people in a structure whereby they can scout and sign players that suit a given style or system that the team will play, and removing power from the money men in the club who care more about noodle partnerships than trophies

    From that point on I think as standard every team within the club's structure should be playing the same style and the same formation from the seniors down to the under 7's, a youth player should be able to step up into the first team and instinctively know their role.

    We should look to promote a new player from the academy at a rate of at least 1 a year, much like southampton were several years ago. Then you have players that just want to be there and are grateful for their spot.

    There should also be a policy similar to that of Chelsea's to only give 1 year at a time contract extensions to players over 30 to ensure we move players on when they are past their sell by dates.

    This sort of thing takes time and won't happen over the summer. Our focus this summer really depends on what we decide to do with Pogba, if we are keeping him I think we should throw some weight behind trying to get Kante, it seems unrealistic but if our representatives play on the fact that it will be a new challenge and he will be valued in the heart of our midfield rather than on the right and that he will be partnered with a player he has shared success with already there may be a glimmer of hope. Although Chelsea will want a hefty price, I can't see how he wouldn't be worth it, would suit the United ethos down to a tee
  37. May 17, 2019 at 17:25
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    I'd simply do these:

    1. close the obvious terminal holes in our squad Namely:

    I. The right flank: get in a competent right back and a top right flank attacker

    II. Central defence: get in a world class lead center back to partner Lindeloff, plus promote Tuanzebe.

    III. Add creative help to center midfield to assist Pogba: i.e Bruno Fernandes Nico Barella

    IV: replace Herrera and Fellaini with Rice and Longstaff

    V. Add one young top future world class talent to push Martial & Rashford. plus as Mata's replacement (I.e Joao Felix or Sancho)

    2. Let Mata, Valencia, Herrera all leave on frees. Release Young, Sale Rojo, loan out Alexis

    3. Extend De Gea and Pogba deals

    4. Fill out our squad with promoted youth : Fosu Mensah, Chong, Garner, Greenwood, Connor, Mitchell

    5. Supplement that with Ssesegnon(lb) and James

    6. Improve out fitness regime in pre season

    7. Train tactical pressing
  38. May 17, 2019 at 17:44
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    It shouldn’t matter but it does annoy me. Bailly and Lindelof as 2&3 is so wrong. Pogba wearing 6 is so so wrong. Rashford isn’t a no10.

    I’d love to see next season.

    1 - De Gea

    2 - Wan Bissaka/Meunier
    3 - Chilwell
    5 - De Ligt
    6 - Koulibaly

    4 - Neves
    8 - Bruno Fernandes
    10 - Pogba

    7 - Sancho
    11 - Martial
    9 - Rashford
  39. May 17, 2019 at 18:20
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    I like what the rumours are around the rebuild, ditching the short term, quick fix, desperation of signing star names, and instead focusing on building a young, hungry, athletic team with a UK core. That would be, finally, an acceptance that it a medium to long term process and that re-establishing a true identity is key.