Hypocrisy, Guardiola style. Or tie a yellow ribbon 'round the light blue tree.

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    Tincanalley Turns player names into a crappy conversation

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    A large segment of Pep's post match presser after beating Arsenal in yesterday's League Cup Final was dedicated to a passionate speech on the subject of humanity and justice. He held forth on his respect for human values, and in particular democracy in Catalunya. But he showed his awareness of wider political issues, and even mentioned the freedom Britons enjoyed to vote on the questions of Brexit and Scottish Independence.

    Pep vowed to continue wearing his yellow ribbon despite being handed an FA charge (against wearing overt political symbols). He made the point that a form of internment without trial (preventative imprisonment) has taken place in Catalunya, where people have been imprisoned without court, without judgements, by Spanish authorities (And although I am not well versed in Spanish politics, I have no reason to doubt the truth of these assertions, and his genuine feelings regarding these topics). Pep spoke (in English and in Spanish) about the need to respect diverse opinions. "I have empathy with people who have no freedom. Anyone can be in that situation".

    As described in many other contributions, Pep's brother is tied into the ownership of Girona, where the Guardiola family is shown in entanglement with the business affairs of the Abu Dhabi owners of City. Surely the blatant hypocricy of a UAR well-connected high profile employee moralising about freedom and justice (a country with a terrible human rights record, in particular relating to the treatment of migrant workers) could not be allowed to stand unchallenged?

    A journalist asked -
    "But Pep; you talk a lot about politics there. You talk a lot about freedom. You talk a lot about Sheik Mansour. Sheik Mansour is a leader in the UAR, which is criticised for not recognising freedoms and the right to protest. How do you reconcile that?"
    Pep answered -
    "Every country decides the way (they) want to live for themselves. And if (they) decide to live (that way) themselves, it is what it is. I am in a country in which democracy is installed since years ago and I try to protect that situation".
    So are we satisfied with that response? Do we agree that that's fine then? The Mansours of this world didn't get rich at the expence of others, they are not corrupt and disrespect the rights and freedoms of others? The people of the Middle East who have suffered at their hands have only themselves to blame? Or is Pep Guardiola the hypocrite of all hypocrites? And what will the FA do now that he has called their bluff and rejected their charge head-on? Answers on a postcard, please.
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    SirAF Ageist

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    It's a weak ass response.
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    Greck Full Member

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    He wasn't exactly going to launch a protest against his employers there and then.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    Well he should have. And he should boycott their home games, just like the fans do.
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    Jazz Full Member

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    Such a hypocrite. Not surprised. Terrible response that.
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    The Firestarter Full Member

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    In that case don't start blabbing about other country's sovereign affairs unless you want to appear like hypocritical numpty like he just did.
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    SqualorVictoria New Member

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    I'm surprised that the reporter didn't rather question his Qatari alliances as they seemingly have a whole bigger issue to deal with than Abu Dhabi though.
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    Jazz Full Member

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    The people choosing to live that way? Bit disingenuous. Pretty sure it's the rulers (i.e his bosses) that decide how they should live.

    I'm shocked a journalist actually called him out on it..
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    Skills Snitch

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    My heart bleeds for him. Hopefully he decides this is all too much for him and all he wants to do is give back to the nation of catalunya by taking charge of Girona from the end of this season.

    feck off baldie.
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    Cassidy Not to be confused with Cassady the Liverpool fan

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    It isn't really.
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    Kostov Full Member

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    He is a hypocrite of the highest order. Every country decides for themselves... this moron doesn't have an ounce of shame or credibility to protest anything.
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    Cassidy Not to be confused with Cassady the Liverpool fan

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    Weak response from him, but tbh I didn't expect him to call out City owners.
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    Jazz Full Member

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    What you mean?
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    Schmiznurf Full Member

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    He's a massive hypocrite, you can't support freedom and be willing to be punished for doing so and yet be happy to take it from behind by someone who opposes that very ideal. He's such a cnut though, this season and last has shown who he really is.
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots

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    It's easy to pretend to be noble until it's something close to home that could affect you negatively.
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    Shane88 Actually Nostradamus

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    Stirring stuff from the bald cnut.

    Props to journalist for actually questioning him on it though.
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    Why are the wealthy so often willing to sell their souls? They're the very people who can afford to have integrity.
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    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    Catalonia is a part of Spain. It is what it is.
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    Skills Snitch

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    If the FA are serious about this whole thing. They should just double his fine everytime he breaks it, even the sheikhs billions can't beat compounding.
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    Jazz Full Member

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    Because they are greedy.
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    Like so so many agendas that celebrities attach themselves too, morals need not apply when their bottom line is in question.


    Hypocrite within the game, hypocrite outside the game
    Self righteous twat within the game, self righteous twat outside the game
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    SteveJ all-round nice guy, aka Uncle Joe Kardashian Scout

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    I now feel justified in continuing to call him Poop Flopiola, chief.
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    Baby Groot Banned

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    Agree, and pepole wonder why I don't like Pep.

    But the bucked stop with the English FA / and or the UK goverment for allowing such an ownership continue to exist. I did think it goes against everything that I did call English noble and i'm not English
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    So in Spain it’s a crime and he has empathy for those affected, in the Middle-East however, it is how it is..? :houllier:

    Jesus, what was the journalist’ follow-up? If he just left it at that he’s a moron
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    Jazz Full Member

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    :D
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    Our government probably also in bed with all sorts as well:( So it goes.
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    Tincanalley Turns player names into a crappy conversation

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    Another question came in about the game, and he took it. However he returned later to the Catalunya topic after a Spanish journo asked about what he would do if the FA cracked down (he seemed to suggest he would wear his ribbon out of sight).
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    Human rights can go to hell as long as it doesn't affect my nationality. Great job by Pep.
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    GloryHunter07 Full Member

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    Unless i am missing something, you are saying he shouldnt take a stance about freedom/politics in Spain unless he simultaneously takes a stand against freedom/politics in every other country in the world?
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    About as clear a case of hypocrisy as you could see. But people are often quick to put away their morals when money and glory is on offer.
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    GloryHunter07 Full Member

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    What?
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    Moonred Full Member

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    That’s the most noble/moral I expect most to be. Good for everyone who are saints.
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    Phil Full Member

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    He should be the Liverpool manager really
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    Schmiznurf Full Member

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    No, i'm saying don't act like freedom matters whilst you're taking money from people who oppose it.
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    Greck Full Member

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    When you're in the public eye you have to be very careful expressing your opinions about cultures with little parralels to your own. Europe an USA share a certain cultural homogeneity that makes the inhabitants feel comfortable critiquing each other's cultures but we also know better than to comment freely on cultures of the middle east and Muslim regions. You'll have to hold your tongue for the sake of diplomacy
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    Ballache Full Member

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    What do people expect him to say?
    It's so easy to criticize someone from far away. We'd all answer the same if our livelihoods were dependent on it. Him and City have been fantastic this season, accept it and move on.
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    GloryHunter07 Full Member

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    Just seems like a type of "whataboutism".
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    The Firestarter Full Member

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    That's true, but nobody forced him to open that can of worms.