If Spurs fall out of the top 4 this year...

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    B20 Giggsy! Giggsy! Giggsy!

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    ROFLUTION Full Member

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    Ahm.. This is your own post from yesterday, mister. No wonder that you got 16.000 posts, if you're covering all angles like this :lol:

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    JG3001 Full Member

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    Didn’t they want to pay it in like 5 instalments as well? When they had just been handed £200m, paid in full, for Neymar.
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    James Peril Full Member

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    Spurs started this season beliving they could win the title, their fans were voting 60% on winning, the rest on 2nd or 3rd. They are out of the title race in December! Trailing by 18 points is just astonishingly bad after 15 games. Some of the players must be thinking what the hell happened? Kind of looks like that on the pitch as well, some players are just not givng their all.
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    Mastadon New Member

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    Everything has fallen into place perfectly for Spurs over the last few seasons. Top class young manager and top class young players like Kane and Ali putting in consistently great performances. The problem they have is financially they are not on the same level as the other big clubs and that will eventually catch up with them. That squad is not going to be together very long Spurs can't afford to pay them what they would earn at other clubs and it almost always goes down to money. Once they lose those players and the manager they will revert to being the old Spurs. Factor in the stadium debt and I wouldnt be very bullish about their long term prospects.
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    McGrathsipan Full Member Knee-jerker

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    Be in no doubt that unless Levy pays the salaries the top lads should be on they will leave. Money runs the game and like it or not top players will want tip salaries unless they are stupid and poorly represented.

    Spurs need to get into the CL again next season or they are going to lose players.

    Very simple
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    Sandikan aka sex on the beach

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    Haha, you weasel ;)
    Blimming heck, I just checked, and it's 18,000! 7 years though, so erm, probably ok?

    But no, I do think he's one of those types who aims to be a one club man.
    But these one club men (ignore the loan) are so super rare for a reason
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    KingMinger22 City >>> United. Moaning twat

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    This.
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    The standard this season is much higher than seasons gone by.
    With our current points total, most seasons, we'd probably be leading the league. But this season, we are 8 pts behind the leaders.
    Spurs are currently 10 points behind MUFC and 18 points behind the leaders.

    Poch and Spurs have done very well over the last couple of years. Fantastic, in fact.
    But Spurs is not in the same class as the Manchester clubs and their manager is certainly not in the same class as Jose or Pep.

    Oh and lets not forget the Wembley issue. Not playing games at home is definitely holding Spurs back. Once they go back to White Hart Lane, it'll be interesting to see if they can recapture their form.
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    ti vu Full Member

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    LOL. Arenal vastly overpays is as big myth as it gets. Sure some players got paid close to their best and top earner which makes it look like they're overpaid. However, look at their wage structure as a whole, the cap on wage for their best players are similar to what Kane situation is at Tottenham. Kane surely deserve much better wage but he is taking one for the team and heavily underpaid. In the this wage cap prevent the whole wage bill to be expanded, even if the dross being overpaid.
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    NoPace Full Member

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    They badly need a deepish midfielder. I don't think Dembele is the player other people do (fabulous ball retention but meh everything else) and Winks and Dier are nothing special yet. If they got a player like Weigl or Matic I think they'd control games better and be a bi more consistent in the big ones.

    I could see Spurs losing Rose and one of the Belgian CBs still being better next year because they mostly make smart, fairly safe signings and signing an LB to challenge Davies, a new 3rd CB, and a CM seems like a doable summer if only because they'll get big fees for their players and the LB signing they surely have ready because the Rose saga has been a minute now.

    Eriksen they could keep and promise to sell the next summer and as brilliant as he is, I don't think it's crazy to think that replacing him with some pace considering that Alli and Kane are not fast could see their production stay similar even if the player isn't seen as the same quality.
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    oneniltothearsenal Full Member

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    Its the squad players that are vastly overpaid not the stars. Its the leftovers from Wenger's belief in a socialistic wage structure. Its why some players have been unable to be sold and have just been loaned out (Joel Campbell, Jenkinson recently) and others are quite happy to sit on their wages and not get ambitious because they know they wouldn't make more anywhere else (Gibbs, Walcott).
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    ti vu Full Member

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    That's the point I just made, wasn't it?

    Read it again and look at Arsenal wage bill as a whole, the cap on top earner/ best players still plays its role in controlling the whole wage bill despite all the overpaid dross squad players. Their best players eventually had enough both lack of success, and being underpaid.

    So the whole selling point of Tottenham is very similar to Arsenal where it welcome younger play with promise of giving game time and try out in good competition (top 4 fight in PL & CL participation. People age and at one point they want to get some kind of reward either via wage (there are clubs to pay god wage for squad players) or silverware. Fail to offer both, the best players, and in some cases even squad players eventually grow bored of the project.
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    elmo Can never have too many Eevees

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    Overpaying for shit players is exactly why Arsenal are fecked though. Their youth players get praised too much and gets overpaid early on in their career and Arsenal are fecked when they realise those players aren't that good a few years later and can't move them on.

    Giving the likes of Ozil big money is fine until they realise they can get big money and win trophies at other clubs.
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    This, absolutely.
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    cyberman Full Member

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    Feck, if Spurs players rely on tips then they really are underpaid.
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    They will need to win the F. A cap
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    gza the genius Full Member

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    I don't think much will change honestly. Levy won't allow some mass exodus. They'll maybe lose 1-2 players they would've rather kept in ideal circumstances but that doesn't really hurt them too bad i.e. Walker. They'll still recruit younger talent well and compete next season for the top four but almost definitely not win the league (which I don't think they can do either way).

    Although, if Poch ends up leaving I think they're probably going to be in trouble.
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    CassiusClaymore Is it Gaizka Mendieta? Scout

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    Surely this has to have been proven as a load of old bollocks by now? They've beaten Dortmund and Madrid at Wembley in the Champions League and thrashed Liverpool there. It seems like an excuse wafting from the club to cover for the real issues going on which I suspect might be more about players being unhappy at their mid table wages and the clubs lack of ambition.
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    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    He also said he wants to be the best footballer in the world someday. I think he's quite likely to leave over the next 3 years.
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    Rhyme Animal Modmins said "freeze" and I got numb

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    Depends who that 2 players are though, doesn't it?

    They lose 2 of Kane, Eriksen, Alli, Pochettino (as I think they will if they fail Top 4 and win nothing) and they'll feel it.

    As your namesake reminded us - "Cash rules everything around me...".
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    FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster

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    I don't think they will lose Kane or Alli next summer, though Alli will try his best to leave. Could easily see Alderwerld and Eriksen go though as they will only have 2 years left on their contract. Poch leaving would be disastrous for Spurs but think he will stay on as well.
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    gza the genius Full Member

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    As long as Kane isn't one of them I think they'll mostly be fine and I'm pretty confident Kane isn't going anywhere this summer. I think Poch is the biggest piece of the puzzle anyway so if they can keep him it'll mostly be business as usual unless they have a few repeat seasons out of the top four.
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    McGrathsipan Full Member Knee-jerker

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    We can sign Rose, Kane and Alli
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    ti vu Full Member

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    The thing is Tottenham has every inches of potential to end up in same situation. The overhyped guys would eventually get decent pay as Tottenham has to convince them to sign long contract while Tottenham on the other hands tries their best to placing the wage cap on their top players. IIRC Sissoko was reported to be on 90k per week which previously topped Kane's wage !!!

    People is too quick to forget that Tottenham beside last few years, had terrible transfer dealings. You can say they change their approach now, but with time, their current approach is pretty similar to Arsenal. Without success or like this thread theme: without CL football to attract cheaper potential players, the wheel may break
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    fishfingers15 Contributes to username and tagline changes

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    I'm only interested in knowing what happens to Glaston's trends if this happens.
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    adexkola Arsenal supporter Verified Moaner City Lover

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    Did that excuse come from the club? My impression is that it was fan spouted bollocks.
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    MDFC Manager Full Member

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    It was only a month or so ago when "spurs had arrived" :houllier:
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    GlastonSpur Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum

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    You - and many other posters - are forgetting that our new stadium opens in 9 months from now.

    Yes, there be will a debt to service, but we will no longer have to divert a huge proportion of our income on ongoing construction costs and that income will in any case increase a lot due to the new stadium.

    As a result our capacity to pay higher wages will go up.
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    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    Tottenham are screwed by the poor recruitment of late rather than wages. They haven't been inflating the depth of quality in the squad enough. Yet their football is so demanding that their first choice men are finally starting to feel the effects.
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    Lamela now back and the fabulous news that Wanyama is very close is a huge boost for us.
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    We need an rvn Full Member

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    you laugh but Alli will leave, you're blind if you think the kid wants to stay at spurs any time soon. Rose you don't need and will leave.

    Kane is the next shearer. Destined to win one medal and go down as a premier great but could have won so much more if he had moved to a club who has winning in their DNA.

    truth hurts
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    singabiru Banned

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    From all of Levy's comments, there has been no indication that he will break the rigid wage structure at WHL anytime soon regardless of the new stadium. You are just hoping and praying.
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    noodlehair "It's like..."

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    If they aren't in the CL it doesn't matter if they do break the wage structure. They still wont be able to offer more than what the likes of Chelsea can and will. Spurs in the CL would struggle to attract top players. Outside it's even less likely.

    Doesn't mean they're screwed though. Just the same problems they had to face when getting into the position they are now. It means they'd need to be clever.

    When Pochetino leaves or loses his touch they might be screwed though.
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    Rado_N Yaaas Broncos!

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    How much do you expect your top line to go up by virtue of the new stadium, and on what basis? Genuinely curious.
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    I swear this new stadium had better blow you away from the moment you see it.
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    Had a look and a few Spurs fans on one of their forum think Alli has been poor lately and has had his head turned elsewhere.

    Start of unrest at the camp between him and Rose and Alderweirelds contract?
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    Remember to not carry this constant boner the first time you visit the stadium, you’re going to be tossed out and never be invited back again. It’s extremely funny how you talk so much about this arena, you must be the most excited fan in the world - and it’s a bloody stadium, which isn’t even particularly big! Very strange indeed.

    Also funny that you talk about increased revenue and that it will be a «lot», which just shows you have no idea what you are talking about. And you mention the interest payments like they’re basically a student loan everyone can afford. You might increase your revenue by a «lot» and can probably pay higher wages, but what is «high» is your twisted mind? Enough to double Kane, Alli, Eriksen and Alderweireld’s wages at the same time? One gets a raise, all the others would not accept not getting one - the thing spirals out of control, there is a reason why Man U/City and Chelsea pay a lot of wages to squad fillers. You have 19 home games a year in the league, how much do you really think it’s going to generate? A nice club shop won’t help you much, you already have one and Tottenham aren’t especially popular are they? A sushi shop and some NFL-games won’t help much either.

    The funny thing is that you think Tottenham are special and that you new arena will be even more special. You aren’t (something you will come to realize once a player wants a huge raise) and it won’t be, it won’t even be the biggest in London. It’s just a bloody stadium, it will be just as dull as all new stadiums.

    (But.. but... it will have the largest single-tier stand in the wooorld!! Oh shut up, nobody cares).