Is Antoine Griezmann the most cringeworthy footballer?

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  1. Feb 27, 2019

    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    Well, they're two quality footballers I don't think of as legends. It's a pretty straightforward comparison really, one you could throw a lot of other players into. I just picked Ribery because he was the most decorated player I could think of who also never remotely became a legend in my mind. Plus they're both French.

    Ribery being better doesn't make even a slight difference to my point about Griezmann.
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    At a club level, probably due to playing for Bayern.

    On an individual level, I doubt it.
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    Ishdalar Full Member

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    You think it was wine and roses for Totti in his 20 year career at Roma, that he was loved when he flirted with Real Madrid, or that he was never booed?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...s-roma-exit-after-abuse-from-fans-486652.html

    The past always looks better the further away we're from it.
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    What the feck is a legend? Is Beckham a legend? Giggs? Scholes? Cantona? Keane? Schmeichel? Platini? Zidane?

    Maybe we are disagreeing on semantics, but in my mind, Griezmann would go down as one of the best players of the decade.
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    Castia Full Member

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    they're mainly individual honours not trophies won, I don’t see your point.

    Half of those are pretty shite as well let’s be honest. Most of them are third place finishes or player of the month :lol:

    We’re talking legends here.....bring up Zidane’s page or Ronaldo’s where they’ve actually won real things and compare them.

    A player like Juan Mata has won 10+ more than Griezmann including a World Cup, European Championship, Champions League multiple Premier League titles......Mata isnt exactly a legendary figure either.

    Griezmann is a very good player, he’s wont be a legend though.
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    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    You could probably have left out "FIFA World Cup Fantasy McDonald's Overall Eleven". I'm not sure the number of fantasy football obsessives who will remember Griezmann's point scoring exploits for generations to come is really large enough to carry much sway in this debate.
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    Mata was never a deciding player for Spain let's get real. Whatever he's won for La Selecion he's won because of Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Casillas, Cesc, Ramos, Silva etc. In fact Mata, not being part of the national team doesn't really affect the outcome of the 2008, 2010, 2012 cups. And for the record, Mata has never won the Premier League, not that it matters much, but just confirms you're factually incorrect.

    Griezmann has been one the key players for France, both at the World Cup and the Euros - that's indisputable. The fact that's he's one of the best players in La Liga - a league that regularly wipes the floor with the PL - speaks volumes. I guess Barcelona willing to pay the release clause of €100 million for him were just mugs.
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    I could have, but I didn't.
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    Keeps It tidy Hates Messi

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    Judging players by how much major titles they won is why the best players all end up at like 4 clubs.
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    I’ve never argued about Griezmann being a good player, he’s very good but he’s not legendary that was my point. I said in my first post that he needs to win more at club level to reach legendary status in my opinion.
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    Infordin Full Member

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    People confuse “legend” with “all-timer”. Nobody is arguing that Griezmann has a case to be in an all time XI alongside Ronaldo and Messi. The argument is whether or not he is one of the best players of his generation. He undeniably is. If you are one of the best players of your generation, you are a legend (in my opinion).

    I also consider players like Del Piero, Totti, Shevchenko, Cantona, Giggs and Scholes legends.
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    Agreed.
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    Ishdalar Full Member

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    Zidane won 3 leagues in 10 seasons at Juve and Real Madrid, 1 UCL to show at club level.

    Ronaldo won 2 important leagues, no UCL titles (not even a final), 1 Cup and a Cup Winner's Cup.

    Honestly, if you want to sell Griezmann as an underachiever just because he plays for Atletico, pitting him against players that did play for European juggernauts and have one or two titles more than him shows how important colective trophies are.
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    I've seen some bullshit spouted in this forum but this is surely in the top 3. That France team won't function without Griezmann
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    For me, even Macheda is more a legend than Griezmann.
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    manutddjw Full Member

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    Reminds me of Lingard and Pogba with his antics. Not something I’m into, but they’re having fun so good for them let them enjoy their lives.

    I agree with the Ronaldo sentiments. He’s cringeworthy. 2 Champions League finals. One he does nothing of note until he gets the 4th goal and takes his shirt off like he just had a god like game. And then another after his team wins he needs to talk about how sad he is.
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    Jib Full Member

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    Personnally I would like to see :

    ----------------------Mbappé--------------------------
    Martial-------------Pogba----------------Dembélé
    ----------------Kante----------Tolisso---------------------
    Hernandez----Umtiti-----Varane-------Pavard
    ---------------------------Lloris-------------------------------

    I don't know if they could win the world cup with this team but :drool:.
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    lawliet354 Full Member

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    Exciting for sure, but all hypothetical, the only fact is France won the WC with Griezmann as a key player, alongside Mbappe, Kante, Varane and Pogba.
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    RochaRoja Full Member

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    To be fair, I’m sure Netflix chose the title and in French it’s just “Antoine Griezmann: World champion”.
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    RochaRoja Full Member

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    You don’t think Gordon Banks is a legend? Bobby Moore?

    The World Cup is the biggest trophy in football. Being a star player in a World Cup winning team makes a huge difference.
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    King.of.Red New Member

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    Indeed, I do think he is cringeworthy especially his L celebration, I dont like it. But, I still like him as footballer. Amazing player
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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    Sid Lowe says so.. Must be legit.
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    Suedesi Full Member

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    More legit than most of caftards fo shure...
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    The way I see it Griezmann is in the Tigana-Giresse bracket where people that actually follow football rate them highly but the rest barely know who they are. And no France wouldn't have won the WC without him, he directly contributed to 6 goals that's 13 goals or assists in major tournaments.
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    Jib Full Member

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    Half on penalty or set pieces tbf.
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    JJ12 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Not arguing Griezmann is a very good player because he is. I don't remember him being great - I don't think France were all that great but turned it on when it mattered at the World Cup though. Griezmann scored 3 or 4 penalties but wasn't all that great was he?
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    nokillingmoths Full Member

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    Do they not count as goals or assists then?

    Thr caf turned against griezmann when he chose to stay at atletico madrid instead of coming to us for thr money. Yet the caf worships ronaldo for saying he was a slave and fecking off to madrid. Funny how stuff works.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Which are direct contributions and at the exception of a couple of games, he has been excellent in game too.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Well he was, he played his part in a team victory, he was the main cog in transition and contributed to the balance of the team.
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    Jib Full Member

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    He was good in 2016 but in 2018 he wasn't that good.
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    JJ12 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    A team that were quite average for the majority of the tournament and turned it on when it mattered. Anyway not arguing that Griezmann is a great player just don't think he was great at the WC.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    Exactly. He is just a fantastic team player, wish we signed him last year. His work rate, technical ability, set pieces are just brilliant.
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    Jib Full Member

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    Pogba*
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    DWelbz19 Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    He’s a top tier player.

    Must be sour grapes in this thread for him turning us down because he was absolutely a major wanking point on this forum for a good few years.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Nope. While Pogba had a great World cup too, the main cog in transition was Griezmann, he was the one initiating the pressing, covering on the entire width and he was the go to player when a quick counter attack wasn't possible.
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    abdo99 Full Member

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    He wouldn't have fitted here anyway. We don't play 2 man midfield to utilize Pogbas skillset and Griezman isn't a RW but second striker so it would've been disaster in the end. It was a bullet dodged.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    We are playing with false 9 or whatever role Lingard, Mata played. There is no better fit than Grienzmann. He works as hard as anyone, his technical skill is top class. He also creates and scores lot of goals.
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    No Steven Gerrard is.
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    Jib Full Member

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    My fault. I thought you were talking about attacking transition. It right that Griezmann was the one initiating the pressing.

    I still think that except for his defensive work as SS/AM, he wasn't that good in the world cup while in 2016 he was probably our best player on the KO stage ( the final aside )
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    It's not always possible to play the false 9. At home especially we need width and the money should always have gone into a RW which is still yet to happen. Plus griezmann has always played better off a target man ie Giroud, Costa, Torres , Mandzukic etc . It should also be noted that France in their first world cup game played a front three of griezmann flanked by dembele and mbappe and it didn't work so deschamps switched it back to 4-2-3-1/442 with Giroud leading the line.