Is free speech overrated?

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    Florida Man Cartoon expert and crap superhero

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    With the recent horrific events that are fueled by the online boards whose content is under the guise of free speech, is this a topic that needs to be revisited for democratic nations? Obviously no reasonable person wants authoritarian style censorship, but are there new limits on speech that can be imposed? How far should it go? And could we still entertain and discuss controversial ideas without tripping people up into extremism?
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    Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær Lutefisk is it!

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    Raoul Admin Staff

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    Its perfectly fine as it is in the US.
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    Not in the least overrated.
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    The recent events and really the whole new rise of the far right has nothing to do with free speech at all.
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    Tarrou Full Member

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    I think it's sometimes misunderstood or exploited. No democratic nation has absolute free-speech right? There have always been caveats.

    Hate speech / inciting violence are usually against the law, but nowadays when society or companies try to shut it down people want to make it about free-speech.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    One thing’s for sure. Speech has never been freer. And the genie can’t be put back in the bottle, which makes the question in the OP rhetorical.
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    ChaddyP Full Member

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    Free speach if anything is underrated.
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    There’s nothing inherently wrong with free speech. What’s wrong is when people mask hate speech and blatant lies as free speech. Couple that with at least half the people around you, possibly more, being as dense as a block of lead, and you have a recipe for disaster.
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    crappycraperson "Resident cricket authority" Scout

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    No. As bad as NZ attack was, worse human right violations take place in countries where no free speech exists.
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    The digital age is a gamechanger though isn’t it in terms of propogating hateful discourse? Twenty years ago, your wannabe white supremacist would be limited to the local NF meeting (sparsely attended by some weirdos) and buying some crappy newspaper. Now it’s access from your phone to a global network of like-minded individuals and a turbo-charged sense of validation and trajectory of radicalisation.
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    Florida Man Cartoon expert and crap superhero

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    I strongly disagree. Platforms for these feckers exist under the guise of free speech.
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    Florida Man Cartoon expert and crap superhero

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    Yes it’s rhetorical. Just wondering out loud because I’ve seen many posts calling for the closing of sites like 8chan and 4chan even.
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    You can’t say that!
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    Florida Man Cartoon expert and crap superhero

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    How so? Just curious.
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    Not in a democracy, no.

    In a benevolent dictatorship, it absolutely is overrated. Shut the feck up or go to gulag.
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    People were committing mass murders before the internet and message boards. The idea that regulating them will eliminate racism, xenophobia etc. and stop the nutters committing these acts is absurd. Also, what happens when the xenophobes and racists come into power like in Hungary, Italy etc? You can bet that they will use those laws to limit the speech of those opposed to those ideas.
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    Florida Man Cartoon expert and crap superhero

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    I don’t find it inherently bad either but still, free speech is free speech ugly or not.
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    IS supporting sites have been shut down many times. Do you think it’s helped prevent folks from being radicalized into that culture?
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    Pexbo has never watched Star Wars

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    For what it’s worth, I think there’s a weird recursive issue with freedom of speech.

    Person A - Takes advantage of their right to free speech and makes offensive comment.

    Person B - Takes advantage of their right to freedom of speech and calls out Person A for being an ignorant, bigoted wanker.

    Person A - Gets upset at Person B exercising their right to free speech and cries that their freedom of speech is impeded and demands that Person B is silenced.
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    FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster

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    Free speech is fine, what people get confused about is free speech without consequence.
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    Everything exists under the guise of free speech.
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    Yeah that’s a huge problem especially for the trolls who try to take internet humor well into real life. There’s gotta be a way to address that because it could potentially get out of control for younger people.
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    afrocentricity Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    No it's not overrated, it's just misunderstood. It doesn't mean you can say whatever the feck you want to without repercussions.

    I've another question. Is no-platforming (the type that people like to bring up in the PC gon mad thread) more justified in light of these social media fuelled white nationalist terrorists...
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    I will take the easier access to radical and fringe ideas (and it is just easier, because it is unlikely to be possible to fully prevent it), even though it produces these tragic events, than to codify in the law and build the agencies, tools and habit that the government might start to restrict what people can say and publish. Because once it exists, I do not trust every government elected to use the power responsibly.
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    No, freedom of speech is misunderstood. Some seem to think it grants them the right to say whatever they want without being called a dickhead in return. So when they're then called a dickhead/barred from a venue/fired, they start screaming about their rights being trampled.
    So this, essentially.
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    You can compare how people are doing in countries that don't have free speech and think about it for a minute.
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    Free speech is absolutely essential to a democracy. Hate speech is not.
    It’s not free speech we need to get rid of, it’s hate speech. We do that by freely speaking out against it.
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    But who decides what is and what is not hate speech?
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    "Paradox of tolerance (Karl Popper). The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant."


    Basically, yes. In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance. Simple as that.
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    afrocentricity Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    A lot of it is fecking obvious tbf...
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    Free speech should be accompanied by free slaps as long as we stop at slaps.
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    Some of it is, a lot of it isn't.

    And you certainly can't have the ideologues on either side of the fence being the ones drawing those lines.
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    afrocentricity Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    A lot of it is, can you give examples of the something that isn't please? Just so I can see what you're talking about.

    In answer to your question though, the authorities are responsible, just like they always have been.

    What does this mean? Is this to do with ''PC gone mad"?
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    oneniltothearsenal Caf's Milton Friedman (and Arse aficionado) Scout

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    I don't think its overrated. I think its meaning can be twisted though. Free speech does not meaning saying whatever you want with no consequences. I remember even in high school in the US some idiots would use verbally abuse someone with all sorts of racist epithets and more and use the "its a free country I can say what I want" as a defense. That fundamentally misunderstands the what the concept of free speech means.

    But sadly I suppose its easy to see how people are confused when the Supreme Court rules that corporations giving unlimited money to politics counts as "free speech for individuals".
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    I think sometimes it's lost on us how much precious the right to say what ever you want is. I dont think it's appreciated how much of a privilige it is to have free thoughts and ideas. More people these days dont really fight for freedom of speech the way they do for other human rights. And this is why i think its underrated. You started a thread asking if its overatted and wondering if we censor people. For me thats underating the right to free speech.

    I for one dont think that censorship counters hate. Trying to hiding something under a rug doesnt exactly stop it from existing. I find it dangerous to be censoring things even its the most vile things imagineable. I find that we dont understand how powerful actual debate and sharing of ideas can actually be. This is why i think its underrated
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    Is hate speech not also a part (an ugly part nonetheless) of free speech though? That’s kind of my point. Where do the limits begin and stop?
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    Florida Man Cartoon expert and crap superhero

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    It’s a good point man. Now I’m gonna come out of left field with this question but what do you think about things like gore or underaged pornography in that context? I in no way advocate for that but technically speaking, does it not also fall under free speech?