Is mainstream media relevant anymore?

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    This election as well as recent events that have preceded it have really got me questioning the relevance of mainstream media in these strange times.

    It seems like its taken a backseat to social media and appears evidently out of touch with the sentiments of ordinary people. It was fair to say that the attempted character assassination of Trump was a resounding failure and may have even had a counter-intuitive effect.

    Something in particular which also struck me was that The Young Turk's online stream yesterday had at one point more viewers than abc. Seems like people are shunning the usual networks in favour of independent media, twitter and other social mediums.

    Curious how the producers re-align themselves now.
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    VorZakone What would Kenny G do?

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    People distrust the mainstream media because they associate it with the political status quo.

    Also, we have to take into account clicks and viewership ratings for the mainstream media with regards to character assasination of D. Trump. The media have their own financial interests to think of. If paying attention to Trump is better for financial results, they'll happily keep doing it.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    I agree to an extent. In the UK though, The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express and Sky News have been key and on the whole match the views of the 'ordinary people'.

    Social media is definitely understated.
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    FCBarca Mes que un Rag

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    More aptly it is corporate media but it's absolutely true that this election, if nothing else, demonstrated just how out of touch corporate media is.

    I suspect social media is harder to gauge as it's an awfully labile platform
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    Thought I would shamelessly steal Neutral's post from the other thread:


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    Left wing media is out of touch but the right wing media is absolutely on the button at the moment.. they seem to be calling the shots and no one is able to stem the tide.

    The sun, daily mail.. everything they are asking for to happen.. is happening. They're successfully anti-intellectualising societies and spreading hateful rhetoric.. and the masses are lapping it up.

    All the left wingers seem to be doing is.. haha who reads the Daily Mail lol, what kind of idiots are going to vote option A and yet they're being slapped in the face because these so called idiots in society are getting off their asses and voting whereas the so called smarter individuals aren't turning up to vote.

    We need to start engaging with people of different views and try and take their concerns into account whilst ensuring we don't become a regressive society. Right now, sticking our heads in the sand and hoping people come to their senses isn't working.

    It is going to get worse before it gets any better.
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    If by MSM you mean things like Sky News and the BBC then I hope it is. They were pretty balanced on the Brexit issue (though I think they were probably balanced at the expense of the facts available). Regarding Trump I didn't see an attempted character assasination as much as an attempted character suicide.

    Right wing sources like Fox News, the Daily Mail and the Daily Express pander more to right wing people's fears and left wing media sources like the Guardian, Daily Show and similar shows/sites in America target minorities and women so are more likely to focus on racism/sexism.

    Unfortunately many people are choosing to ignore the information they don't like and only listen to the sources they prefer. The MSM is an important balance to that.
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    Cooksen The Millennium Falcao

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    A lot of left wing media has spent a lot of time just bashing and insulting anyone who has a differing opinion without truly asking or investigating why they have those views.
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    It's what most people who watch that media seem to want, though.
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    FCBarca Mes que un Rag

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    To be fair, this 'If you're not with us, you're with the enemy' is endemic to the US - might've started with the conservative republicans and neocons but now dems & liberals have adopted it as well. It's now the culture of ignorance
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    I'd say the relevance of the mainstream media depends on the country we're talking about. It certainly isn't the same everywhere. That being said it's to be expected that they lose influence compared to the past as everyone can share events, information etc with the whole world.
    Of course they are still relevant though. Just not as relevant as in the past.
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    the media was screwed the day MSM became a derogatory term...kind of like how intellectuals/academics/experts are a thing to be mocked...because as we all know - facts don't really matter. It's all about feelings.
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    Bingo.

    Of course, MSM is still incredibly influential. Murdoch in the UK, Fox in the US (although I'll admit to knowing very little about American media) but yeah, the lack of regulation of alternative media sources is definitely a big problem. People can make up any old shit and other people will swallow it up because that's what they want to hear. And they will never pay any consequences for peddling blatant lies, legal or otherwise. In stark contrast to the "MSM".
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    Murdoch's empire in the UK is a different beast altogether since it plays on already existing and intrinsic fears many people here already have.
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    They started to look the other way when the reality was something else as the article says. The reporters are supposed to be neutral when reporting news, you cannot be judgemental and present your opinion as news which is what has started happening with the MSM and they are paying for it.
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    That's the magic of social media and online news organisations, you get to have your bias confirmed.
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    Mainstream media has lost its credibility massively across the globe. The right wing and left wing both find it biased and are moving to independent media sources. They are basically surviving as info-tainment venues IMHO.
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    This also does not help

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    What Left Wing media ?
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    Nope
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    It's not because it's biased but because we as a people have become a lot less tolerant of opposing views. We only want to listen to that which we agree with.

    Have a look at what sites you subscribe to...what journos/pundits you follow on twitter - most of us keep ourselves inundated with views that match our own.

    Fox News is an exception - it's like a hatefeck :lol:
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    Character assassination? He is what he is and is portrayed in the media as he is. He won simply because of 2 race related agendas he was running on. White Americans still out number any other race in the U.S and this election proved that.
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    crappycraperson "Resident cricket authority" Scout

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    You have a point. People like to stay in their echo chambers, both on left or right spectrum.
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    I don't think it's that - if anything I think those on the left mostly all do turn up to vote. IIRC we've had record high turnouts in the last couple of important UK votes, and indeed in the USA election. If anything I think it's the right wing that is now "getting out the vote", plus there seem to be a lot of working class people shifting away from their historically left wing roots.
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    A lot of over 50's voted for Trump, and naturally most won't be active on social media. The involvement of a tonne of celebrities like Jay-Z or Beyoncé in Hilary's campaign will have absolutely no effect on Cletus, 63 from Texas. De Niro's speech probably didn't reach a lot of then too.

    Besides that, the constant Trump bashing actually played out well for him imo. He used it as evidence for Hilary's 'corruption' and the Trump supporters fell for it.
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    Of course it's not.

    I can't even remember the last time I willingly turned the tv to watch news.
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    The mainstream media are increasingly under pressure from social and alternative media imo. One of the things that struck me this cycle is how the Twitter accounts I follow were a faster conduit of information than the 24 hour news channels like CNN and MSNBC. If the MSM want to retain their market share they are going to have to incorporate more of a social media lean going forward.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    I don't think they should include more social media, they should be more neutral, more diverse, more didactic and show more empathy.
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    But media outlets have never been any of those things though, and never will be. The balance, diversity, and cross spectrum opinion is provided by the fact that there are media outlets on both sides. The media environment as a whole is the diversity, not each one being diverse in itself.

    And the idea that left wing media is out of touch and right wing media is spot on is simply not true, because of the fact that all of these outlets would report in exactly the same way regardless of public opinion. It's simply that at this moment in time, populations have a more right wing mentality and thus are aligning with the right wing media. Not the other way round. In times of struggle and recession popular opinion always shifts to the right which has been statistically proven on many occasions.

    In the same way, when Obama won, left wing media wasn't correct over right wing media. Just that popular opinion aligned with them.
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    Neutrality is a myth. Every news organization has an editorial slant, so there will always be people, to varying degrees, who disagree with it. People aren't robots, so this shouldn't come as a surprise. Maybe this is fundamentally the problem with the MSM - they attempt to project an aura of neutrality when all the people (journalists) who work for them are generally very biased, which gradually filters into reporting.
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    It might have "started happening" with the MSM but that is literally the essence of alternative media. So it would be a very strange reason to reject MSM.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    I'm not sure that's true. Silver surfers and all that...
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    I said more neutral not neutral, you can't be neutral but you can try by honestly inviting debate. Nowadays I have the feeling that too many MSM don't even acknowledge the potential validity of different opinions they just make fun of it or reduce it to idiocy and at the end talk to themselves.

    Edit: I only say that because of the lack of options, if there was a huge amount of sources total bias from the MSM wouldn't be problem but since there isn't, people just ignore them and use the infinity of social media news and sources.
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    Nick 0208 Ldn News 24

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    Admittedly, this is a worse problem for print media and its online variants, but how much of the news we see today is straight-up reporting? The rise of the columnist and opinion pieces has skewed the content people receive from mainstream sources.
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    Hahahaha that's class. Still, these modern celebrities won't influence old American codgers living in a caravan.
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    This thread does not apply to the UK. Mainstream media has virtually shaped this country's view of Europe.
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    Interesting and not at all surprising.
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    you only need this to prove that polls/election forecasts mean jack shit.

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    So he had almost twice as many interactions but won fewer votes. What does this prove exactly?