Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Robbie Boy, May 11, 2017.
Why could he not play at RW in a 433?
Isco is one of my favorite non-United players. He's an immense talent.
However, I don't think a midfield 3 of him, Matic and Pogba would work. Poor Matic would be left wide open once the two boys go wandering, as usual.
I am a fan myself, but i dont see it. Either we play him at 10 and Pogba in a 2 man midfield or we move him to LW and leave out one of Martial/Lukaku.
He is not an RW, not a Mourinho obe anyway. our LW and RW would move inside all the time and provide zero width. Thats not how we play and want to play
He is a fantastic player but he would be another example of United crowbarring a star name into the team while sacrificing balance and unity.
What we need more than anything this summer is a sensible and focussed approach to transfers.
Of course he could fit our team you nut jobs. He could play 10 vs smaller sides and wide in the bigger games.
He’s too good not to play. We’re currently
playing Juan Mata in most games we can make room for f*cking Isco.
What about Mata?
Isco is better than Mata at everything except maybe crossing. Saying he wouldn't fit our team is bonkers
Saying that though there is 0% chance he gets sold. He only just signed a new contract last year, unless somebody pays an absolute fortune it's not happening.
Mata is already here, he wasnt bought for a huge sum. If we buy Isco, which we wont for many reasons, it wont be to play him on the right wing. Mata plays there because we dont have any other player who is better there.
Florentino is not going to sell Isco, especially when their team needs some surgery. That said, he would be an immense signing for United - and just about every elite club for that matter. However, we'll have to tweak the setup to accommodate him, and improve the fullback/wingback position. Every so often you have discussion threads where a diamond is mentioned given Mourinho's history with the setup:
And Isco would be the perfect as enganche/10:
So something like maybe this:
Only a theoretical practice, though - Madrid are not going to sell him.
If he is available or a slight chance of signing him we should go all out to get him.. He is a fantastic player.
He has regressed as a player. All of his bad habits have returned and it looks like it would take a lot of work to straighten him out.
There's too much to do for the money he would cost imo.
No room for him and definitely not the right fit anyways
Under a half decent attacking manager, that diamond would be very tasty and especially someone like Naingolan on that RCM spot, and with serious investment in our full back situation then that would be a seriously competitive side in Europe.
Realistically, I can't see how he'd fit into City at the moment unless they abandon B. Silva and move David Silva to pastures anew.. he doesn't strike me as a Bayern player either.
If PSG are committed to keeping Neymar, he could go to them.
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I dont know how people can say for sure that Madrid is not going to sell Isco.They need some serious investment in their attack, atleast a striker and a Winger.Even if they are thinking of Icardi and Hazard, that's 250 mill pounds atleast.If they want Neymar or Lewandowski or Kane then it's gonna cost 350 mill plus for two players.Not to mention, they have just now lost a huge 351 million pound deal for naming rights to Santiago Bernabau.
They clearly have too many midfielders that are too good to be sitting on the bench.Isco, Kovacic, Cabellos, Ascencio all sit on the bench when Bale is fit.And Bale is Florentino's pet project, Ascencio is the jewel if Madrid and Kovacic is the heir to Modric according to Zidane.Isco has always been the one who had to sit on the bench to make room for others.First for James and then for Bale despite being very good for Real whenever he played.
Spain's national team coach, Julen Lopetegui, is concerned by the lack of playing time at Real Madrid for Marco Asensio and Isco.
"We want all our players to play the biggest roles possible with their clubs, not just Asensio," Lopetegui said, quoted ESPN.
"[Isco] has not played much in recent games, but there is a long way to go yet. We trust fully in Isco. It concerns me that they are not playing much, but for sure they will be back in the team."
Don't think the player too is very happy to be not playing.Im.not saying we should buy Isco, although to me he's the nearest thing to Iniesta out there.Hes pure magic despite being used on and off for the past few years.I remember a period where he was the one behind almost all of Reals goals, either by assisting or scoring.
And he's very different from Mata.Hes stronger on the ball, is not easily pushed around, is a better dribbler, more creative but is not as good as Mata in front of the goal.He can be our Eriksen.Playing the Mata role or the role Ozil played in Madrid in big games.People always complain of our inability to keep the ball, well this guy never looses it, he's so good in possession. And before anybody says they want a hugging the touch line winger, there aren't any of those kind anymore, Football has moved on to inside forwards .Even everyone's favorite Mahrez isn't a touchline hugger.
Isco is a ball hog that literally doesnt know when to pass the ball most of the time. If people here are frustrated with Pogba they will lose their hair over Isco. Only great trait he has is how good he is at keeping the ball. The rest is ovverated.
Mata has a legit job on the right of the team.
Madrid selling isco is like us selling Martial - not going to happen
Usually I'd be quite cynical about this and say we all know this is going to end in a new contract for him at Madrid, but his current deal expires in 2022. Not to mention that City and United are both in better shape than Madrid at the moment.
Silva is 32, if City signs Isco you can bet Guardiola would use Isco to keep Silva in reasonable minutes in the next seasons, and Isco would get to play LW, both CM roles and even as a False 9.
That would leave City with a front five for 8 players, Sane, Agüero, Sterling, Isco, Silva, KDB, Jesus and Bernardo. It might sound absurd but if you look at Real last year having Morata, Isco, James and Asensio as their deph players to rotate their front 5 of BBC, Kroos and Modric, or the rosters PSG and Barcelona are assembling (Di Maria, Draxler and Lucas warming the bench in PSG. Coutinho, Dembele, Iniesta, Messi, Suarez, Rakitic, Paulinho, Alcacer and maybe even Griezmann this summer for Barcelona) you can start to see a pattern.
If we thought the rosters some teams had years ago with 14/15 world class players were stupidly strong, right now the squads teams with money are assembling will put those rosters to shame, if you want to fight three titles with your club you're going to need that depth, and money won't be the only problem, you have to sell those players a winning team so they can come and say "ok, I'm not going to play 4k minutes per season, but it's going to be worth it".
You're probably right. Personally if I was Isco.. I'd want to play under Pep, he's the one guy who can turn him into a world beater and build the side around him.
Isco, like Modric and Kroos, could make the transition into a deeper style midfielder. I think he'd thrive in a 3 in a Iniesta type role. He's not a passenger in defence like Pogba and Mata, too. If he's available we should go all in.
I completely agree. His passing is the only major fault in his game, IMO.
Always felt Zidane isn't the biggest fan of his. Honestly believe he doesn't like Isco's on ball decision making and passing and while the rest of his game is comparable to his he probably doesn't understand why Isco doesn't see the game as well as he used to. If there's any chance of making this happen we should be all over it. He'd increase the level of ability of this side substantially, in the right set up he could really make the team function.
I was of the belief that part of the reason Valencia was willing to sell David Silva was the emergence of Mata
Kimmich - Boateng - Hummels - Alaba
Thiago - Isco
Müller - Lewandowski
Wingers are so last year. Long live the diamond!
Absolutely ridiculous, the guy is 25 years old and looked very special last season. Every player in the world can have an off-season every once in a while, it has even happened to Ronaldo and Messi over the last five years (although still being special). Look at Hazard two years ago, right after a special season - were you ready to let him go as well?
He has the same problems today as he had before last season meaning he has regressed as a player.
Having an off season would make sense if last season was the norm, but its not. Its looking increasingly likely that last year was the exception while this is the norm.
25 with the same bad habits he always had should tell you something about the player, it's not as if 25 is even that young.
Did you ever watch him with Malaga? Last season was more of the same amazing talent that's always been obvious with Isco. He's one of the most technically gifted footballers in the world.
Be prepared to be overloaded with stats. Probably.
You are right fwiw.
He holds on to the ball for far too long and doesn't get his head up to pick the right pass.
Are you people even watching Madrid? The only thing last year proves is the unfulfilled potential he has, last year isn't the norm for Isco for a reason.
The talent is there and I'm not saying he's a bad player but feck me he gets overrated on here.
He's 25, he should be KDB by now
I believe we are talking the actual level of player quality, he said they were both highly rated which is true. But David Silva is/was at another level compared to Mata. On the other points I said I agree with him.
The press has been very outright with the idea that they want to sell , especially Pedrerol, who would not attack a player like that without consent.
They say "if Zidane continues", but even if they change the coach, he will be a bit marked, as dispensable, unless the next coach arrives and refuses a sale.
I would like to think that the club leaked their intentions to give him a slap on the wrist, urging him to change his attitude/performances, but on the other hand the club already sold Ozil in the past, who was very talented and loved by the fans , so if we need to raise money, it seems possible that he´ll be sold.
Personally I would not, I would prefer that they sell Kroos, Marcelo or Casemiro.
He keeps the ball a lot and is very inconsistent but that technical quality and that beautiful style should not go away from the Bernabéu.
Isco-Hazard-Asensio sounds great, but sell Isco to fund Hazard not so much.
I thought Valencia it cause they had financial issues.
Exactly how I feel. I really want us to get Hazard, I wanted this for quite a while now, but not at the expense of Isco.
If we sell Isco and somehow Benz is still a starter next season, we have lost our goddamn minds.
DMs are very hard to find. I can't imagine Madrid selling Casemiro.
I think Isco himself might want to move on.
He's stalled and needs to okay regularly. It's simply not going to happen at Madrid.
Sneijder role. A bit wide play maker when needed beside being no 10 for Mourinho. Alexis can fill the Eto'o role.
edit: reading what @carvajal said on the other thread regarding Isco, his head is indeed big (ego). I think it's lost in translation with what SAF said then. Not sure it's good for the team morale
It kinda was actually. But still you're right about the first part. And probably the last too
Other than that, what @carvajal said
If there is something that Madrid like, it is a good playmaker, a "mediapunta", even if there is excess.
If there is something coveted in football, it is the goal and the technical quality of players like Silva, De Bruyne, Isco, and if you have one, it is not usual to get rid of him. Especially if they have already sold James.
I think he has stalled but has been provoked by him. A few months ago Bale was completely buried and Isco was in an incredible moment, as against Italy and the 442 including Isco has had fantastic moments.
I do not know if he is an ideal player for English football and life outside of Spain.
You are right,it´s not realistic to sell Casemiro but I would not make him unsaleable
I want to think that Benzema is out without any doubt. If Isco leaves, we will have to be content with Hazard and Asensio, although I always thought that they play in similar positions, and about Isco ,when they start talking about girlfriends and too much party, they usually sell, like Ozil or Snejder
Madrid need to be keeping Isco and getting ready to make him a more important player, so many of their team are hitting or over 30.
Ramos, Modric, Marcelo, Ronaldo, Benzema will all be the wrong side of 30 next year (thats 4.5 key players). With Kroos and Bale not far behind.
One of my favourite players to watch, if he comes on the market I could see Pepperoni wetting himself to get hold of him, not sure Jose would want him though.
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