ISIS in Iraq and Syria

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    Suli "Do you get parents evening at uni?"

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27778112
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    Many of the members of the Iraqi army have already escaped, not bothering to defend the city. Reports of three Iraqi commanders already seeking refuge further north.

    Kurdish forces are ready to defend any attempt by the ISIS to infiltrate Kurdish areas, despite Maliki's request for the Peshmerga to not interfere it looks like they will be needed.

    YPG also preparing to send their own forces if needed:


    Border clashes are currently going on with the ISIS suffering 46 casualties in the last one hour against the YPG.
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    This is looking like a sea change in the politics of the entire region. The very existence of the old post-colonial states may be in question.
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    To be fair the borders were shoddily drawn up (which i think wasn't by mistake)
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    The ISIS want land and lots of it. They want to build up their own state. The ISIS will not stop, their mission is to conquer the whole country.
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    Suli "Do you get parents evening at uni?"

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    That won't happen, not a chance. They can't even beat off the Kurds in Syria let alone the ones in Iraq.
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    Absolute feckin cretins. They clearly had enough of the Syrian army giving them a hiding so now they've gone back to Iraq where they no longer have to face a trained military. As for the Iraqi soldiers cowardly abandoning their posts and fleeing, leaving 500,000 at the mercy of these barbarians...utterly disgraceful. This wouldn't have happened if the original Iraqi military structure wasn't torn apart.
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    I can happily seeing that snake Barzani loving this, wouldn't put it past him to covertly support the ISIS. He was after all a man who called on Saddam's help to kill his fellow Kurds in the quasi-Kurdish civil war some decades ago.
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    To be fair, Talabani did call on Iran to help his side, both were in the wrong. However, that's all over now and there's been evidence of coordination between Peshmerga and YPG so this should all work out for the best, regardless of political beliefs.

    The Iraqi army in Kirkuk have also given up and handed over their bases and weapons to the Kurds who now control most of the city. Another step towards independence?
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    No, Barzani won't take independence if it was offered to him tomorrow. He doesn't want Baghdad's funding to be cut off. Kirkuk might somewhat subsidise that, but I doubt the city will become entirely Kurdish following this.
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    Suli "Do you get parents evening at uni?"

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    Surely the recent Kurdish oil exports are a prelude to independence though? Everything so far has been pointing in that direction and I think it's only a matter of time before Iraq is completely divided.
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    This was all inevitable. Afghanistan will go the same way as soon as the US leaves.
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    Hang on, what happens if these kinds of groups do manage to take over a whole country? Does anyone reckon they'll be invaded or what?
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    It won't happen, they can't hold on to Mosul for long. The Iraqi army is weak but the ISIS are really just a bunch of poorly trained maniacs that will fail when they come up against any form of organized army such as the Syrian army.
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    I really dont understand why the west world isnt really supporting the Kurds. They seem to be the only (semi) reasonable group, that can provide stability and peace in their region without terrorizing their citizens. Turkey is obviously against that, but come on: a stable Kurdish region in the north of Iraq and Syria would be a first step to a more stable region.
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    Lots of reports that the Kurds have moved in and retaken the airport in Mosul, not waiting for Maliki to do something about the situation.
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    They're gaining land at a tremendous speed. The aiport has been recaptured by kurdish forces according to reports.
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    They must be close to an oil refinery. The west have suddenly woken up.
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    The Iraqi soldiers that fled were 15x their number. And they fled. JESUS.
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    They fled before the ISIS even entered the city. Absolute cowards who left the civilians to suffer.
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    Whats going on with the airport then? One lady on twitter is saying that her family can hear it getting bombed.
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    I think the earlier reports on Kurds taking the airport were wrong. Our forces are on the other side of the city from the airport and the airport is in the hands of the ISIS. The Iraqi air force are launching a strike on it now, hence the bombing. They left a load of helis when they fled so they need to make the ISIS can't use them.

    Maliki said he'll respond strongly and retake the city, which is perfectly possible as the terrorists don't have the manpower or arms to hold their position, they are merely an offensive/raiding army. They won't hold on to the city, if Maliki doesn't send in Iraqi troops then the Kurds will decide to deal with it once other areas have been secured. In fact, they've already started fighting the ISIS in key areas, doing well so far! :)
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    They won't be able to take over the Kurdish or Shi'a regions. Their success has been rooted in Maliki isolating the Sunni. Militias in the Kurdish and Sunni regions are preparing for the fight, and recent history had taught them what is at stake--especially the Shi'a.

    If they do settle in and maintain control of the north and Anbar, there would be some kind of intervention--though probably not an invasion. No one outside of the US is really capable of sustaining that sort of expeditionary operation, and that appetite is gone here.

    If it goes bad, really bad, the Turks might do it with NATO air and special forces support. The jury is still out on if this rebellion has the legs to go that far, though.
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    Video of the Iraqi army fleeing and handing their arms over:


    Forces being deployed into ISIS strongholds:
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    Discarded uniform of a 3 star general of the Iraqi army who deserted his ranks:
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    The ISIS kill every uniform they find. Apparently Iraqi soldiers were asking civilians for clothing so they could escape unharmed. Did you watch the latest propaganda video of the ISIS? Its called Saleel al-sawarim 4.
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    The Syrian Army reportedly offered help to the Iraqis to rid the area of the ISIS, although I doubt this would happen. They aren't strong enough to hold their position for more than a few weeks. The issue is that they've received a lot of weaponry and vehicles from the Iraqis who fled and took nothing with them. These vehicles have already been moved towards Syria where they'll be used.
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    Yep, they took off their clothes and fled in that white clothing, I think it's known as dishdasha or something, the ones you see most civilians wearing in that hot weather.

    Just searched it, one hour? They really are just a bunch of rats who need to be wiped out. You know this lad from Nottingham joined them in late May? He was 17! I can PM you the pics of him there if you want, he was a Kurd as well ffs. He's one of them loopy guys who believes in some greater Caliphate and has now gone to Syria to try and fight his own people. :lol: He'll probably die soon though, they placed him on the front-line and the YPG have already liberated the area he was in.
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    Yeah, send me his pics please. The thing I don't get with these guys is that they are not fighting a common enemy, rather they are causing disunity amongst themselves.
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    That's troubling, especially the medium and heavy weaponry. Even if ISIS wilts in the face of a committed Kurd and/or Shi'a counterattack, the abandoned weaponry is a prize that will help ISIS on both sides of the border.
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    Peshmerga have taken full control of Kirkuk :D
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    Economical developments won't be enough to materialise the Kurdish dream. There's also the diplomatic headache of all neighbouring countries being vehemently opposed to an independent Kurdish state.
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    Well this is going well.

    Again.
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    Good luck, Kurds.
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    Why exactly is the whole region so anti-Kurdish?