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  1. Nov 14, 2017 at 18:54

    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    Simple. Higher a manager of a better caliber than Ventura. He is the real reason Italy got embarassed
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    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    Of course, but you even need to cut the crap at the top.
  3. Nov 14, 2017 at 18:58

    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    I agree. Replace the idiots who could hire a clown like Ventura in the first place
  4. Nov 14, 2017 at 19:01

    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    Exactly. The saddest thing is that they don't want to resign :( :mad:
  5. Nov 14, 2017 at 19:06

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    Good of Italy to take a stand against the corruption in FIFA by refusing to take part in a bought World Cup.
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    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    :lol:
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    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    Ventura is the new Schettino
  10. Nov 14, 2017 at 20:54

    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    coolredwine lameredboots

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    Red or green?

    I prefer to eat chili though, not play with them. : P
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    coolredwine lameredboots

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    So are Ancelotti and Conte. ;)
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    Not gonna lie, this made me chuckle. Thanks
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    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    But he doesn't want to leave! :lol:
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    giorno Full Member

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    Damn man. Just no. But thanks for giving me some much needed perspective
  16. Nov 15, 2017 at 03:53

    Cal? I always Loyalty CR7

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    You’re supposed to have the best 32 teams in the world compete in the WC
  17. Nov 15, 2017 at 04:04

    Zen Full Member

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    And how do you judge that?
  18. Nov 15, 2017 at 04:41

    Cal? I always Loyalty CR7

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    Historical records?

    Anyway, a better compromise will be for all the other confederations to play off against Uefa.
  19. Nov 15, 2017 at 04:51

    roonster09 Full Member

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    Yeah Hungary and all deserves spot because of their historical records. Now what? We should apply the same rule to CL too. as it is UEFA have already brought shit rules from next season.
  20. Nov 15, 2017 at 06:30

    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    Actually you aren't. You are supposed to have the best teams from all continents.
  21. Nov 15, 2017 at 06:46

    prath92 Full Member

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    Italy didn’t pass the group stages in the last 2 world cups. Personally not really seeing the big deal about their absence. Sure, I can understand Italian fans getting upset but other than that, not a big loss.
  22. Nov 15, 2017 at 06:56

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    Ancelotti wouldn’t be what they need.

    They need someone who can rebuild. Obviously Conte would be number 1. But managers like Allegri and Mancini wouldn’t be bad shouts. That’s three managers who have won premier leagues out of the four that have been linked. So they do have the managers unlike England. Then you can throw someone like Ranieri in the mix.

    Mancini would be a good option because he won’t be afraid to get rid of the older players. But he’s probably too volatile. The good thing is that the players won’t work with him every day like in club management.
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    Ah right, it's Chile in English isn't it. We call it Chili on this side of the pond :)

    I prefer green chili btw.
  24. Nov 15, 2017 at 12:14

    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    Exactly. If we don't change the system from the bottom to the top nothing is gonna change.
  25. Nov 15, 2017 at 12:20

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    Its a great pity that the World Cup won't have Italy or Holland, but perhaps the shock of not qualifying was needed by both nations to give them a kick up the arse to get their house in order.
    No doubts that both of these footballing nations will come back stronger..!
  26. Nov 15, 2017 at 12:43

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    This isn't a club, and the old guard have already called themselves out. Only Chiellini might stay on, and he i think he should for the time being. Need someone who's shared the dressing room with World Champions -beyond bonucci- for now
  27. Nov 15, 2017 at 14:09

    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    The set up in Italy isn't wrong. Its still producing talent again. It's the coach they hired that was wrong. And those dumb enough to hire him that should lose their jobs. For they've badly mishandled a talented group of lads and denied them a world cup experience.
  28. Nov 15, 2017 at 14:12

    van der star newprawn warrior

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    This Italy squad was one of the least talented ones in recent memory. Maybe Conte's team during the last Euros was slightly worse but at least he had the sense to pick the right players.
  29. Nov 15, 2017 at 14:31

    greggsy New Member

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    No problem mate. It was dissappointing to see Italy go out to be honest, Italy players always seem so proud when representing in major tournaments. There seems to be a lack of world class players in attack, but it might Just be the tactics. It's hardly an impressive Sweden side though.
  30. Nov 15, 2017 at 14:35

    André Dominguez Full Member

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    Sometimes is not a lack of talent problem. Portugal's best generation of talent ever barely qualified for any competition. Sometimes is a mindset situation and the fact of having a half-decent manager (which was also Portugal's problem for many years).
  31. Nov 15, 2017 at 15:12

    devilish Phil Neville's #1 fan

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    Here's what I think

    - Ventura is crap....really crap. I understand that after Conte's meltdowns he wanted someone more stable to rely upon. But surely he could find someone better then some old dude whose got less experience at top level then Moyes

    - Too many players are out of form. AC Milan are struggling and the situation is terrible there. Juventus aren't passing from the best of times (compared to the years before). Roma lost plenty of players and its yet to find its footing. Also most signings has yet to fully settle down. For example Bernardeschi and Bonnucci are struggling.

    - Too many players are getting stuck in the lower leagues. Players like Belotti, Berardi and Immobile should have moved to bigger clubs years ago and yet they are still stuck to the small clubs. That's a problem as they are struggling to gain the experience they need for this level

    - Italy seem to struggle to let old players go. It happened during Lippi administration (second stint) and it seem happening now with the likes of De Rossi, Chiellini, Buffon and Barzagli. Don't take me wrong some of these players are still quite valid. However, someone one need new blood and enthusiasm in the team.

    Conclusion

    Italy is at a crossroads with the new slowly replacing the old. The future doesn't look bad. There's Donnarumma and Scuffet as GK, the likes of Rugani, Bastone, Spinazzola, Pezzella, Pellegrini, Conti and Romagnoli in defense, Cristante, Melegoni, Berardi, Locatelli, Chiesa and Pellegrini in midfield not to forget Bellotti and the young Cutrone and Pellegri upfront. Not to forget the confirmed good players like Bonucci, Jorginho, Insigne, Marchisio and Immobile. However they need time, patience and a good manager to lead them and with enough courage to play them up.
  32. Nov 15, 2017 at 15:28

    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    I disagree. This group is comfortably there most talented group since their 2006 generation. It's just been handled stupidly. Conte's team was awful compared to this one.
  33. Nov 15, 2017 at 15:35

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    What about Balotelli ? He's having a nice career comeback at France. If he retains that form throught this season, surely he has to be considered in the rebuilding process ?
  34. Nov 15, 2017 at 15:44

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    I dunno man. Conte lost Marchisio and Verratti right before the Euros and didn't call up Jorginho(but it sort of made sense at the time), so of course he had a mediocre team

    I don't think this team is worse than the one Lippi took to south africa

    But yes, it's definitely a bad team for us. Problem is we've had mediocre teams since 2010(2008 was also nothing special. Lacked both defenders and strikers, though it was better than 2010)

    I really don't think this team was bad overall. With a good manager it was quarter finals material at the WC imho
  35. Nov 15, 2017 at 15:49

    giorno Full Member

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    He's a role player at Nice. On form he doesn't deserve to be called up ahead of Immobile(top scorer in europe's top leagues) or Belotti. He's also been toxic in the dressing room under Prandelli...

    I think he could earn another chance, but he has to demonstrate he deserves it first, and then prove he belongs on the team. He's burned himself badly under Prandelli and hasn't done better than his competition so far
  36. Nov 15, 2017 at 15:54

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    You make very fair points. Also, he is running out of time to turn into that world beater that many saw the potential he could be early in his career. Arguably he would be a good player to have to impact matches from the bench when needed, but knowing his behaviour, that would never end well. Just thought about him cause other than the players you mentioned, Italy are short on options upfront, I even thought about giving Gilardino another go.
  37. Nov 15, 2017 at 16:38

    JustAFan The Adebayo Akinfenwa of football photoshoppers

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    And they could not qualify this go around, so guess what, they did not deserve to go.
  38. Nov 15, 2017 at 17:06

    Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 Full Member

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    @giorno Tommasi: "Tavecchio isn't resigning".

    Well, who gives a feck about our national team if no one wants to change?
  39. Nov 15, 2017 at 17:28

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    They do not have creative players like of the old Italy. In 1982 they drew all their group games in the WC and then beat Argentina, Brasil, Poland and West Germany to win the WC. That team had a lot of talent in every department.
  40. Nov 15, 2017 at 17:33

    maba723 likes bananas a bit too much

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    Ventura has been sacked