Jürgen Klopp Watch | "We lost 'cause we played Sevilla; United won 'cause they played Ajax"

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    Moby Dick

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    We're hardly the benchmark this season though. We have had some form over last few weeks but most of the first few months we were still finding our feet under a new manager (I'm sure you can understand that, having gone through that not long ago) and despite playing well we were missing silly chances and conceding stupid goals ourselves, however our defense won't throw away a game after leading 3-1.
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    EyeInTheSky Full Member

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    What are you even talking about. Whats 2010 got to do with it? Read my post I said those protest was against the US owners (Glazers).

    The green and gold flags were an extension of that because of people getting fed up with it.

    Your just repeating what I am saying but don't realise it.
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    I know exactly what I'm talking about mate but it seems you don't ;)

    Cassady asked what happened to the scarf protest - everyone knows that's the green and gold scarf protest that started up in 2010 - and you said the fans (or some of them) went off to form another club but how can that be when that club was founded over 4 years previously?

    In short, and perhaps somewhat mischievously, Cassady was saying the green and gold protests did not achieve their aim and that aim was to get the Glazers out of the club. In response you somewhat weirdly asked him how did the protests against their American owners go. I say weirdly because those protests achieved their aim while the green and gold one didn't.

    By the way, I'm not taking sides in this rather pointless game of protest Top Trumps between United and Liverpool fans (personally I've got time for anyone who exercises their right to protest about the ownership of their club regardless of whether it's successful or not) - I'm just correcting your mistakes.
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    Rafateria Full Member

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    Sky of Anfield New Member

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    Exactly because of this fact some people should refrain from posting some of the things they wrote. You should be the one reminding this to them, not to me, mate.

    And our attack won't miss scoring the goals you did not during your draws vs Burnley and Stoke ;).
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    Moby Dick

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    That makes no sense. The discussion was about Liverpool in a thread about the Liverpool manager. What does United's performance have to do with it?

    Sure, like I said we weren't able to convert our attack into goals earlier, however that's sorted now.
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    It does if you check the last several pages in this thread and what other people are saying.


    My response was merely at your statement regarding the Bournemouth game and that unpleasant results are a thing with every club so I just gave you an example with a couple of your games.

    PS: I have limitations to the number of posts I made a day, so I won't be able to further respond. Unfortunately, of course.
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    Alex99 Rehab's Pete Doherty

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    From my perspective, Green and Gold died the way it did because the Glazers actually started visibly putting money back into the team.

    When the campaign started, and when support peaked, we were one of the top sides in Europe. Between 2007-08 and 2010-11 we reached 3 CL finals in 4 seasons, winning 1 of them. We also won 3 League titles and 2 League Cups. However, during that same period, the money invested in the squad was seen as being insufficient to keep us at the top. We sold Ronaldo, our star player, and essentially replaced him with Michael Owen and Antonio Valencia. We also let Tevez, who had established himself as a fan favourite, was not signed and allowed to leave. Additionally, a pattern emerged of us signing relatively unknown players, suggested to be of senior squad ability/potential, only for them to be shipped off again, usually at a loss, a couple of seasons later. Manucho, Tosic, Obertan, Diouf, and Bebe were all brought in, and quite quickly it became apparent that they weren't good enough.

    Eventually, investment increased again, and what many deemed as more suitable transfers started happening. De Gea, van Persie, Young, Smalling, Jones, Hernandez and Kagawa all came in, with no real notable departures. Following Fergie's retirement, it's increased even more, and we've now spent sums of money on our squad that many thought would never happen. As I see it, it's hard to run a campaign against the owners of the club, with the main message being that they're leeches, when they're clearly making large sums of money available for investment into the team. Whilst the initial aim of Green & Gold may have been to get the Glazers to sell up, I think it's fair to say it encouraged improved investment from them, which may well be a better outcome than the touted Red Knights takeover.
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    I have better things to do than "Mislead" a Liverpool fan, they don't need any help in that department. Do you realise that there are United Fans who also go to FC United games? They were wearing green and gold scarves right from the outset it just wasn't seen because it was not as numerous or agitated by the press when they picked it up.

    The fact is a protest (if it makes you more comfortable, not the green and gold flag) against the US ownership resulted in a new club being formed (FC United of Manchester). You are trying to argue semantics about the timing but that's not the point. The point is he was trying to make out as if they had some moral superiority when in fact all that happened was that they had new foreign owners. Even IF it was due to protests (which you will have to prove) then surely they failed in their aim.

    Show me the direct causal link to Liverpool fans protest achieved what you claim. Correlation is not causation, Even if you could what did it achieve? Replace one US owner with another? Yep great result that if the aim was to not to have foreign ownership. Also, anyone can understand there is a difference between protesting and "getting rid" of an owner where there has been a sparse quarter of a century compared to another set owners who have a club that is dominating and winning everything in site...

    I also don't personally care about FC United as much as you do seemingly. I am not surprised that a city fan is obsessed by all things related United ;)
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    Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that mate. It's obvious why the green and gold protests came to prominence when they did and obvious why they subsided. There's been big investment in the playing staff over the last few years so it's difficult for anyone to lay the finger for any under-performance on the pitch at the door of the Glazers these days.
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    We're veering away from the point I was making originally but it's pointless arguing about that back and forth as we'll never reach any common ground so just to briefly address the points you've made on this post:

    Yes, I'm fully aware that there are fans that attend both United and FC United and I struggle to fathom why they do because FCUM have been marketed as a breakaway/rebel club where putting money in the Glazer's pockets goes against everything they purport to stand for.

    You may well be correct that the protests at Liverpool weren't fully responsible for Hicks and Gillett leaving although I think they did have some effect on what happened but other factors came into play as well (H&G fell out with each other I seem to recall), making it effectively a perfect storm for Liverpool fans which in turn gave them what they wanted. There's no moral superiority to be gained by them though and I did say I'm not getting involved in any game of Top Trumps between Liverpool and United fans. I will add, however, that the protests weren't against foreign owners but against those owners in particular (otherwise we wouldn't have seen the DIC SOS banners) - H&G could've both been born on Anfield Road but a shit owner is a shit owner wherever they come from as I'm sure Blackpool fans will only be too willing to testify.

    Obsessed? Moi? ;)
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    There is no need are top trumps! Not sure the word Trump has any value anymore in the current climate.

    But joking aside, I agree with most of what you say I don't think there is no moral superiority but my point is that they perceive it as such (well the poster I was responding too originally was).

    I hope you're not suggesting that I am obsessed because I responded to a statement made by a Liverpool fan on a United forum because that would be funny considering you have signed up to a United forum as a City fan and interjected in a conversation between a Liverpool fan. :p
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    The recent game vs Man City was an example of Klopp displaying tactical versatility. It was a near perfect defensive performance without the ball.
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    Cassady Not to be confused with Cassidy the United fan

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    I think you've been put straight on that.

    Those two Yank fellas have gone mate.

    I think Gillet is an executive of a ski holding company in the States :lol:

    I read that Hicks put his 100 million dollar mansion up for sale last year and has had to pay 125 thousand a month in debt repayments since 2010. Thats over 35 million I reckon.
    :lol:

    Them Scousers again !!

    Anyway.

    Iam leaving here for a bit. Maybe until after the match on Sunday as the vibe has gone a little too weird for my liking. There's far too much tit for tat and playground mentality shite floating around.That lad who quoted my protest post and the other lad who gave it the smiley's.

    Well done.

    In a bit.

    Edit.

    One lad quoted the post it was the lad who ' fixed ' it for me who I was referring to.
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    M18CTID Full Member

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    Not at all - was more of a pop at me as I can't deny that I do get a little obsessed about you lot at times :lol:
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    I understand Pep being astounded that 3/4 of the league doesn't concede him a victory before the game even starts but not Klopp. Poor man sacrifices so much for sake of entertaining his dear dear fans.
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    Why? It's not good for your health. Football is a cruel mistress
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    Worse than LvG!
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    JB08 Searches for nude pics of Marcos Rojo

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    Jose :eek:
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    Ekkie Thump Full Member

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    Mourinho's start was so good that even if Conte continues his current form he'd still be 4 points behind after 50 games.
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    Peanut Butter Full Member

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    But but but Klopp is the bestest manager of all time!
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    Which one of those didn't get a summer spend and preseason?
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    Regulus Arcturus Black Full Member

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    Is a very important point. In fairness it's much more difficult to come in mid-season.

    Will be more interesting to see his 50 PL games starting from the 2016-17 season, I hope it's shite.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    What's with all the silly thread title changes going on around this place? Can any knobend on here change 'em or something?
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    M18CTID Full Member

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    Don't worry, I can handle it ;)
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    Still a bit pointless really as it depends which clubs you go to and which projects you take on. In Mourinho's first season did he not walk into a decent squad and first XI (Vialli's team was it?). Anyone else notice Wenger missing from that list? He was still considered a world class manager by his 200th game.
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    BorisDeLeFora Full Member

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    Jesus, haven't seen/heard David O'Leary's name in a while.
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    Rooney in Paris Gerrard shirt..Anfield? You'll Never Live it Down

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    Not especially, given he'll have had 6 months to work with his team before that, so it skews perspective as well.

    But even with the context of Mourinho spending big and walking into a team with a good squad, that points total is nothing short of incredible, but then again is first stint in the PL was truly remarkable, especially for a relatively young manager.
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    Ekkie Thump Full Member

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    David O'Leary?
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    That's about Klopp's level.
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    Tbf klopp has done a better job than LVG whatever the points say. LVG was taking over a bigger club with good players already here and unlimited funds and his football still failed. Klopp's job has been harder and hes played better football (to watch) with a worse squad on a lower budget. We will win on Sunday though I'm strangely calm about the match. We are the form team in the country now. Makes a nice change! :)
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    Sir Alex's is pretty crazy when you consider he started in November with the team in 19th.
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    LVG came in late after the WC and hadn't a clue about the quality of our squad at the start of the season. He may as well have been appointed the night before the first game of the season.
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    It's not only reading that's a problem; it's writing. They seem to think you have to leave a space before punctuation. I ask this in all seriousness: was there a point in time when education on Merseyside required this space between the last letter of a sentence and a punctuation mark? If so, fair enough. If not, why do they do it so often and so consistently (Cassady, Rafateria, etc.)? I admit I'm probably in a tiny minority, but it drives me nuts and makes me not want to read their posts.
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    They'll do it for a racist but not for Roy Hodgson or Paul Konchesky! :lol:
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    Ferguson < the rest.

    End of debate ;)
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    At least get the sign the right way round you numpty! :lol::rolleyes::houllier:

    An easy reminder is the "open" part of the sign points towards the better one....
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    Oh dear.