Jürgen Klopp Watch

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  1. Mar 12, 2018

    NK86 Full Member

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    We had a rock solid defense to boast. Just because they play some one-touch football doesn't mean they play exactly like us in the 90s.
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    eat_grass Full Member

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    Lots of long balls, and lots of interlink-play as well. But since Mata missed his two huge opportunities (bicycle kick in the first half, one-touch shot from the six-yard box in the second), nobody will talk about how the plays were built up. There were a few other chances where Mata or Sanchez were just too slow to finish the attack that would have otherwise been clear shots on goal, too.

    Liverpool didn't lose to "direct football." That's just a way for the media to backhand-compliment United and deny them some of the credit for the win. Bastards.
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    Roosney Full Member

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    Ummm, what?
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    2cents Full Member

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    I don't see it, our 90s teams could hurt you in so many different ways so they could usually find some way to win regardless of how the opposition tried to nullify us.
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    beep Banned

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    Has anyone mentioned Salah's slap to Young's face in th second half?
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    prath92 Full Member

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    And we had better midfielders too. Robson Keane Ince and then scholes.
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    Akshay Moderator Staff

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    Nah, we were never as focused on pressing after losing the ball back then. If anything, Spurs current style is far more comparable.
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    They have the same bombast going forward. But to reiterate, not the same level of players. United had more to offer. But in terms of fluidity and open play, it's the same.
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    NK86 Full Member

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    If anything they are like Arsenal of 4-5 years ago.
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    James Peril Full Member

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    Video or it didn’t happen
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    beep Banned

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    Ehhh, it did happen. Watch MOTD. The prelude to a Liverpool attack, in which Young seems to be all at sea and for the first time that day, not marking up. The lads are tussling and Salah slaps back at him. Because Young is not a baby, he carries on. Most players, for example Firmino, would still be rolling around in 'pain'.
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    So a bit like how Swansea play exactly like Barcelona but not as talented?
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    Moonred Full Member

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    The twat’s not very good at adapting or changing things. If his hallowed primary plan doesn’t work, he is fecked.

    Neither is he very good at negating opponents by tactical switches. A simpleton in the end.
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    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    Ironically I think his whole style of football came about as an adaptation because of BM's dominance. Klopp's 'Anti Bayern Munich System'.

    It worked great for him in the Bundesliga but he doesn't seem to grasp the PL isn't a monopoly league. He's been here a while now and spent some serious money. Sums LPool up that they beat the unbeatable City, I bet Klopp put weeks of prep into that game, and then lost to Swansea in their next game.
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    So, my question is that if MUFC play a lot of long balls and park the bus.
    And I assume Klopp is clever enough to notice this trend.
    Why did he not develop a tactic from the outset, so that if we did play root-one football, his players would be ready to counter it?

    It's almost as if this is the first Klopp has played Jose and was shocked that Jose used a direct tactic in the 1st half and then shut the game down in the 2nd half.
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    That's basically it.
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    Claude Cat New Member

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    You must not have watched Swansea since Monk became manager. Play some dire stuff.
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    It's what separates him from the best managers. He's very good at drilling his sides to play a certain way, but does not see the game from different dimensions.

    A massive difference between Guardiola and Klopp, is that Guardiola adapted his system to close out games. PG noticed that his teams were susceptible if they carried on playing the same way, so he developed a tactic to keep the ball aimlessly when they are ahead to kill time. Bayern and now City have a different shape when they close out games, almost as if they are on the training ground in a circle, passing the ball for as long as possible.

    Klopp teams will destroy you if you try to play through them, because he is arguably the best manager in the world at implementing pressing tactics. Every team that has beaten them this season has played a low block and played long balls to the forwards.
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    Fair enough. But point being that your tactics and style of play are only as good as the the players you have. Liverpool playing Chamberlain, Milner and Can in the midfield with Lovren and ATT in their back four aren’t going to get anywhere near the quality of Man Utd from the 90’s. The manager has to adapt his tactics according to players at his disposal as well as the quality of the opposition. Playing expansive football is great in theory but you have to have 11 players out there who can execute it.
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    montpelier Full Member

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    I'd have tried Lovren up front I think, lumped in a few crosses. Persuade Utd to push out a tiny bit, to open some space behind.

    Also by doing this, you'd have had the bonus of him not playing in central defence.
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    Harry190 Full Member

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    Maybe the Arsenal that blitzed 3 goals past us in 20 minutes about 3 years ago. I do not recall Arsenal ever playing such direct football.

    Purely attacking sense.
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    I was a bit surprised by how little impact Klopp had on the game in the last 20 minutes, I expect more from a top manager. Liverpool haven't really helped themselves in terms of a plan b because of their squad choices
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    BobbyManc Full Member

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    Is this the same Ashley Young notorious for diving?
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    beep Banned

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    He has dived. Not notorious. Not like, say, Slippy or Suarez.
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    arthurka Full Member

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    The problem with how Klopp sets up his teams is that the long ball or direct approach will always work as most of the defense plays a high line and will end up 1v1 when that tactic is used against them.. That is one of the reason his time ran out at Dortmund as teams saw this and used it to great effect at the later stages .. A defensive unit playing high press and man marking will need to win every duel for it to work, that will sadly never work even if the buy 4 more VVD and a new keeper... Jose knew this and used it brilliantly. .
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    Morpheus 7 Full Member

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    Klopp has no plan B, it' really that simple.
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    Craig Ward Full Member

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    You must not have watched Swansea since Carvahal become manager. Capable of playing some very good stuff
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    SirAF Ageist

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    He stamped that out of his game ages ago. Sometimes you get thick fans with a long memory though - like the booing from the CP fans which will compound that image.
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    He hadn’t much on the bench to do anything , solanke , gigi, lallana harsly put the frighteners on Utd. I reckon if they lost Salah to injury during the season they wouldn’t have been challenging for 2nd on Saturday.
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    Quite. But also don't forget they wouldn't want De Gea because his distribution is shit because he's only a goalkeeper unlike their 'eleventh footballer'... :wenger:
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    Can23 New Member

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    Well he plays LB now instead of on the wing so he has less opportunity for diving. Mud sticks he was diving all the time at one point, he only has himself to blame.
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    Giethewill New Member

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    If Klopp said that then he's a an idiot for that. He knew how United would play pre-match, so it doesn't make sense. United executed their game plan to a tee, so I have to commend JM for beating us. We didn't get one or two of the ref decisions, but that's how sometimes it goes. We have to focus on the next game and stop these insane excuses about long balls.
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    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    So what was Klopp expecting? We'll play the same way in every match, regardless of opposition.
    If we play a lot of long balls (which I dont think we do) and do it effectively (which I don't think we do), then the onus is on him to find a solution to it. He didn't and lost.
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    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

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    What's his plan A then?
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    RedDevil@84 Full Member

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    Run.. Run.. Run.. Salah.. Salah.. Salah
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    Ban Full Member

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    Yeah wish he had different styles of play like Jose. :angel:
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    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

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    The stars continue to align for Kiev. Revenge on Sevilla next ;)
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    You'll draw juventus and manage 2 shots on target in 180 minutes
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    Klopper76 Full Member

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    So I had a look at our record against the top six vs our record against the rest of the league. Seems like some of the top six have figured us out, whilst the rest of the league has fallen behind.

    It certainly goes against the theory that we still struggle against the weaker sides.

    Vs teams outside of the top six:

    Played: 22
    Won: 15
    Drew: 6
    Lost: 1

    Scored: 57
    Conceded: 14

    Vs top 6

    Played: 9
    Won: 2
    Drew: 4
    Lost: 3

    Scored: 16
    Conceded: 20