Jürgen Klopp Watch

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  1. Nov 8, 2018 at 16:55

    breakout67 Full Member

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    Its official, Liverpool could have won that final so losing it doesn't matter. If you really think about it Klopp has won 6 cup finals in a row.
  2. Nov 8, 2018 at 17:04

    Smores Full Member

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    Which managers are actually expected to win anything then? It seems these days only Pep and Jose are expected to win anything the rest all have endless excuses :houllier:
  3. Nov 8, 2018 at 17:12

    breakout67 Full Member

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    The top managers are expected to win something. Guardiola, Mourinho, Aleggri, Simeone, Valverde, Zidane etc.

    The managers that obviously come short in aspects of management are paraded by their acolytes as top managers by focusing on the things they do well and making excuses for things they dont.

    There were several in this thread saying that losing 6 finals in a row means nothing because 'Klopp wasn't favourite' and 'cup finals are a lottery'. It's like they are high on drugs whenever they watch games so have no clue how football works. Cup finals being a lottery is one of the most ludicrous things I've read on this forum, its the exact opposite of reality.
  4. Nov 8, 2018 at 17:14

    James Peril Banned

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    Very, very convenient thing to say - and very typical coming from a fan of a club that hasn’t won the league in 30 years. We hear this a lot from another set of fans as well, namely the ones following Tottenham. A club that hasn’t won the league since most of us were born. Trophies are everything - it creates a catalyst, a will to win more and never lose. Even a Carabao Cup means you’ve won something and know how to do it.
  5. Nov 8, 2018 at 17:55

    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

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    If Klopp still hasn't won anything by May 2020, then I'll begin to see what some see regarding trophies.
  6. Nov 8, 2018 at 17:56

    cyberman Full Member

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    How much would he have spent by then? 1b?
  7. Nov 8, 2018 at 17:58

    breakout67 Full Member

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    No problem mate, he's a top manager until he has not won a trophy in 8 years :lol:. Conveniently he won't be Liverpool manager anymore so they'll have someone else to declare as their saviour.
  8. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:06

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    I'd love him to stay at Pool for 20+ years and stay trophyless every damn year. Pool fans can keep banging on about passion forever.
  9. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:21

    Vadim Full Member

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    I made this point about Liverpool fans and how they worship their manager yesterday and someone said Man Utd fans are the same.

    We’re nothing like Liverpool fans thank god. Klopp could take a poo on the Anfield pitch, hold it in front of a packed Kop and tell them all over the tannoy that the very same poo will be their only trophy he’s bringing in and their fans would still lap it up.

    Cultish behaviour not seen in many, if any, other fanbase in football.
  10. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:26

    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

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    We've had our best ever start to a PL season. Why would we want to sack him/dislike him?

    Opt for logic instead of hatred. It'll make your life better.
  11. Nov 8, 2018 at 18:33

    Klopper76 "Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"

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    He has his fair share of critics among our fan base. It's not like we all think that he can do no wrong.

    Your opinion is probably based on Liverpool fans defending him when fans of other clubs criticize him. It's not cult worship, it's fans getting defensive when others make a criticism they've probably made themselves. I've noticed that this is a common trait with our fan base.

    If he wins the Poo Cup though he can have whatever he wants.
  12. Nov 8, 2018 at 19:55

    Vadim Full Member

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    I don’t hate anyone, you’ve got me wrong. Who said anything about sacking Klopp either?! I certainly didn’t, he’s a very good manager.

    And for the record, I like my life a lot thank you very much, why did you feel the need to get personal?

    All I was pointing out is that Liverpool fans are extremely cultish when it comes to their managers. Rodgers, Rafa, Klopp. I think only Hodgson is the one person involved with Liverpool that the fans never did take to.
  13. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:13

    Klopper76 "Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"

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    Well Benitez won the clubs first European Cup since the 80's in his first season. I think the hero worship combined with our low standards in the 90's explains that. Rodgers gained his status for bringing us closer than we've ever been to a PL title, and Dalglish was already a club legend. Houllier lifted the club's standards initially as well.

    Klopp's taken us from a mid-table mess to consecutive seasons in the CL and being in most people's list when discussing who might win the league this season.

    We've got lower standards than United fans do due to decades of mediocrity so it's a bit easier to get into our good books.
  14. Nov 8, 2018 at 20:48

    mav_9me Full Member

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    He is right though, nobody makes a cult following of their manager as Liverpool fans do. For example Jose won us the League Cup and Europa League, do we deify him?
    But the way Liverpool fans talked about Rodgers or Houllier or Benitez and now Klopp, anybody who is doing decently, is not matched by any fan base.
  15. Nov 8, 2018 at 21:08

    Klopper76 "Did you see Fabinho against Red Star & Cardiff?"

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    We're lovers, not haters.

    Your standards are higher than ours though.
  16. Nov 8, 2018 at 21:17

    montpelier Full Member

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    Woy Hodge-Podge is fairly enthusiastically hated.
  17. Nov 9, 2018 at 08:34

    Alex99 Rehab's Pete Doherty Scout

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    I think if you win the League Cup in 2016, you win the Europa League, particularly having been in the lead at half time. You're then in the CL a season earlier, and who knows what happens from there.

    Take this as offensively as you want, but it's really easy for you, as a Liverpool fan, to disregard the importance of winning even minor trophies, because the only silverware you've had to celebrate over the last twelve years has been one minor trophy. If you disregard the importance of winning things, it disregards the failure of Liverpool to win something. It's exactly what Arsenal fans did for years with Wenger, and got roundly ridiculed for.

    It's not about whether Klopp gets fired tomorrow, because he isn't getting fired tomorrow. The point is that the line we hear, time and time again, is how Klopp is the one to take Liverpool to the next level. Now, he's done part of the job getting you back in the CL picture, but it's not progress if year in, year out, you're securing fourth on the last day and not winning anything. It's stagnation.

    He's got a big couple of months ahead of him. Two massive CL games to contend with, while trying to maintain the results you've been having in the league. Get through the CL games and secure a place in the knockout stages, and keep pace with City/Chelsea at the top of the league, and he's looking rosy. Crash out of the CL in the group stage and stumble through a busy winter period, and the pressure is very much on.
  18. Nov 9, 2018 at 08:43

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    The expectations prior to the season were quite high. The excellent start to the season made them go through the roof. Now Klopp and Liverpool are judged against those expectations and are coming a bit short.

    All in all Liverpool are doing very well in the league. The problems in midfield and attack might seriously hinder their league campaign though.
  19. Nov 9, 2018 at 08:52

    RobinLFC knows Klopp is a hypocrite

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    Agreed 100%.

    As for the "stagnation", I'd like to think a foundation is important. I'd rather be perennial CL contenders and build from there, than rise to the top like Conte's Chelsea only to crash down a year later. Every year under Klopp has been better than the year before imo, so let's see how this season pans out.
  20. Nov 9, 2018 at 09:00

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    They've just had a silly loss - as teams do.

    They aren't quite as fluent as previously, offset by better defending & keeping.

    I do tend to think we're jumping on any excuse we can find to do them down here - which I'm not particularly opposed to, but we might be being a little bit hasty.

    It's going to be next season before Klopp feels any real pressure I would have thought. You have to give the level of investment a proper chance.

    I read somewhere that the workrate is a bit down though & no one is getting overrun early-doors like they were in the last half of last season.

    I also hope Napoli are prepping their most armour-plated bus for that last CL matchday, innit.
  21. Nov 9, 2018 at 11:07

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    Liverpool are a damn good side and Klopp is a good manager, no one has said otherwise.

    We're just pointing out that he's not the messiah and some of us don't get the worship he gets. They're a good side that has won nothing under him.
  22. Nov 9, 2018 at 11:23

    Butch Cassidy New Member

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    Where do you get the idea he is 'worshipped'? I don't know where you get your info, but it doesn't seem to be entirely accurate. He's a great manager doing a good job for us. But he's fallible. Most definitely.

    Anyway, Benitez split the fanbase in the end (I wasn't disappointed to see him go) and Rodgers wasn't up to it without Suarez. Dalglish is a Liverpool legend but plenty could see he wasn't right for the job second time round.

    Ultimately, yes, as a fanbase we do back our managers, though I am not sure why we are being criticised for it. It's a really quite strange criticism to level at fans... Damn you for liking your manager. Damn you to hell!
  23. Nov 9, 2018 at 12:00

    Alex99 Rehab's Pete Doherty Scout

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    How long do you build the foundations for though? You've qualified for the CL now by securing fourth on the final day two seasons running, with the second season involving a run to the CL final?

    I agree that we need to wait a bit before drawing any conclusions on this season. The end of January especially could be a good indicator for your season. We could be looking at Liverpool side in the 5th Round of the FA Cup, the Last 16 of the FA Cup, and still in the race for the Premier League title, or we could be looking at a Liverpool side that's failed to get further than the 4th Round of the FA Cup for the fourth year straight, out of Europe entirely, and facing an uphill battle to finish in the top four. A lot of middle-ground between those two scenarios, so it'll be interesting to see how things pan out. However, if it's closer to the latter than the former, it's not even stagnation, it's a step backward.
  24. Nov 9, 2018 at 12:20

    tomaldinho1 Full Member

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    This

    I see this season as defining for Klopp because he's only behind Pep in terms of spending whilst he's been at Liverpool, it's not like City have won every trophy and it's a monopoly league (eg it's very achievable for him to have won something by now, even if only a minor domestic trophy). If you think every season there are 3 domestic titles, PL, FA and Carabao - the following have won these whilst he has been in charge.

    Ranieri, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Pep (2), Conte (2), Van Gaal, Wenger.

    If you look at the above, Ranieri won with the miracle Leicester team and was sacked, Pellegrini was sacked, Mourinho seems always on the verge of the sack, Conte was sacked, Van Gaal was sacked and Wenger was pushed out. Yet Klopp survives and is lauded as an amazing manager.

    Liverpool play good stuff, we should applaud that but he needs a trophy badly.
  25. Nov 9, 2018 at 12:29

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    On form players can carry a team far but it's great management that turns that into titles. Yet to be seen whether Klopp last season was just carried by Salahs brilliance in the same way as Rodgers was with Suarez.

    Liverpool fans and even Spurs fans can downplay expectations all they want but national and club level management isn't that different, when you have a good group of players the manager needs to show something for it.
  26. Nov 9, 2018 at 13:14

    Eyepopper Lowering the tone since 2006

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