Discussion in 'Transfer Forum' started by Adnan, Feb 17, 2019.
Jovic is off to Madrid apparently.
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I don’t know who this guy is or how reliable he is.
Giving us extra hope now.
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Every player has a price mate, remember SAF saying he wouldn't 'sell them a virus' regarding Reals pursuit of Ronaldo.
The difference is Ronaldo badly wanted to play for Madrid, there is no indication Jadon has even an inkling of desire to join Manchester United in its current predicament.
You haven't been paying enough attention - he has supposedly said he wants to play for only us in the PL. And is willing to serve another year at Dortmund until we get our sh*t together
Ah yes, I forgot to read my daily cycle of tribalfootball or Daily news, how silly of me.
It was actually reported by the BBC.
Until I read quotes said by the player, I put very little stock in any articles, especially when a player willingly handicaps his prospects in another league by limiting himself to one team. Not saying it’s impossible, I’m just saying the competition for him will be fierce and whatever he may have said or not said shouldn’t really be taken with anything more than a pinch (or punch) of salt; especially when other teams are far better equipped to put him in a winning situation both domestically and in Europe.
It was reported by Stone and Ornstein of the BBC who are as good as it gets for reliability in England.
The point was, that Sancho preferring us over the rest in England came from very reputable sources. And not the sources you assumed in your earlier post.
Fair enough, reputable source or not, a preference is hardly worth anything in business or football. I think he’d be an excellent addition, but it’ll be a hell of a long shot that he would come to United over say Madrid/Barcelona next summer. I just don’t give much credence to a player stating a preference (reported and not said by the player himself), especially as a lot can happen in a year and United is far from being as attractive a destination as some of those other clubs. Financially, United is as good as anybody, but they’re not alone and the others have more attractive prospects at the moment.
If Ole (or whoever) can turn this around by next summer (doubtful), then they should go all in and see if that preference gives them an edge as he could be a huge piece for the future. It also gives the club an extra year to evaluate his talent because he has to show improvement over next season as I think he is fairly overhyped at the moment but if he improves on his season, then I think the hype will be more than justified.
I believe this is called moving the goalposts to the other end of the field.
Then you might want to look up what moving the goalposts are in an argument, because that's not what it is. Ronaldo has made claims, himself, with quotes, that he wanted to join Madrid and it was a dream ('the future, only god knows'). You find me something of that effect with Sancho then we can talk about it.
Until then, I'm not putting any stock into it and I don't think anyone else should either, they might just be disappointing come next summer. But let's pretend this is all true, and he has a preference for United over any other clubs in the Premier league, including Liverpool and City which are miles ahead at the moment, does that really mean he's coming to United? What if Barcelona or Madrid come knocking? I just don't buy this nice story that he's waiting for United to get their act together to then come in and save the day.
So Dortmund already brought Julian Brandt and Thorgan Hazard in. Think if we throw enough money at them they will be willing to let Jadon go
This might be the case. Brandt, THazard, Reus, they are well served in attack and a huge transfer fee could help them address other areas.
Perhaps, but I think I would rather have just bought Brandt and Hazard (for a combined £48m?), and spent the big money upgrading midfield/defence.
Anyway, most reports seem to suggest that the problem here isn't Dortmund, it's Sancho - he's not keen to join a club in total disarray, with no CL football, and in its worst run of form for 50 years.
Ornstein still said it's 50/50
If we did some really good business early on in the window then i think we'd convince him. The rumoured business won't be enough to convince him though unless he's best mates with all these young English players we're bringing in and he knows they'll improve us.
Basically I think he'll be swayed by social media and written media in their assessment of how we're doing. If there's a lot of positivity then he'll be up for the move i reckon.
There's been talk since then that Sancho has decided against it, no idea if it's as reliable as Ornstein though.
While at the same time describing it as "highly unlikely", didn't he? I'm not sure what that means, but it doesn't sound particularly positive.
I'd assume that James and an extension to Mata's deal are the backup options to Sancho, so lets see if they go through.
Brandt will likely occupy a a role in the center, while Hazard is needed as a counterpart for Sancho.
I don't think these signings make a Sancho transfer any more likely this summer. There haven't been any hints at this at all in Germany either, other than I believe Bild writing some worthless story where they priced him around 180m
If we were able to guarantee the signing of Sancho next season, would people accept a year of James/Mata for a season?
He said it was 'highly unlikely' and then finished off by saying we have a 50/50 chance.. That's a pretty decent chance considering what he said earlier in the show.
I don't have any faith in Martial turning his career around, so I'd be fine with us signing a top wide player this season who can play both on the right and left, then next season sign Sancho with James and Mata being squad players this season.
Martial is everything Nani was ever accused of being, only with half the talent.
If we can improve the other areas we are weak in, then add a generational talent like sancho next year then we will be doing well.
Fix our defence this year cb/rb and add a midfielder + James and we will ok I think.
Hopefully with a good pre season and a reset on confidence/fatigue we will be right back up there again.
People forget ole was on title winning form before the end run.
No, neither James or Mata (+ Lingard) are good enough if we aspire to get back to the top. If Sancho was nailed on for next season we still need a player like say Nicolas Pepe whos got experience.
I like Sancho but he strikes me as a player that can be valuable for a good team that are looking for a creative spark from the right.
I used to think we may be that team. However, as the season progressed I realised how far away from that we are.
Im not sure if Sancho can help an average team like ours. We have far more serious issues
Yes. We aren't getting better than top 4 next season anyway. It's possibly for us to get top 4 with our current squad let alone additions in other positions. So I'll gladly take no RW if we're guaranteed possibly the biggest teenage talent out there joining us next summer.
Yes I would.
He reminds me a bit of Eden Hazard. This is the guy we simply can’t miss out on. Talented, English, winger and marketable.
Now that Dortmund is buying players left and right could this mean this deal is already wrapped up and we are just letting Dortmund buy their new targets before everybody knows they got the money?
You can only dream.
Players are hardly going to come out and say ‘I hate my current club and want to move to club x’. BBC is as reliable as it gets.
Right Pulisic is off to Chelsea so you'd expect Dortmund to add a winger to their squad but they've now added two in Hazard and Brandt. Wonder if that will spark more Sancho muppetry
Brandt can and likely will play as much centrally as anywhere else.
Sancho is staying
I'd say that's a resounding yes. We suck because we don't have players exactly like him.
Don't worry mate I fully expect Sancho to stay for one more year. Didn't know Brandt was a midfielder though, always thought he was a winger
Looks like they spending the Sancho money already.
He flourished centrally this season under Bosz.
They signed Hazard and Brandt for less than what they sold Pulisic for.
€50m for Hazard and Brandt combined, that's hardly spending any money at all for Dortmund.
Stop spoiling my optimism.
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