Joao Cancelo

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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    3rd thread on this guy in the last 4 years, 3rd time lucky?

    http://sempreinter.com/2018/05/03/manchester-united-make-offer-for-joao-cancelo/
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    Oaencha Full Member

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    I wouldn’t say no; he’s turning into a very good player.

    €3.5m a year seems a little low though. That’s about £65k a week.
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    sideshow_bob Full Member

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    Would be good buy for us imo. Can play at right full back, right wing back & even as a right mid if required.

    Hope it's true that we're after him & inter don't exercise their option.
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    Nick. Full Member

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    I'm sure just a couple of weeks ago people were saying we shouldn't Cancelo because he was having a bad season. If he's so integral to Inter Milan maybe we should try to get him.
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    Chillosophy New Member

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    Seems great going forward from the little I've seen of him, but not so much defensively? Can someone shed some analysis on him as a player?
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    Nick. Full Member

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    I just read that's he's had trouble breaking into the Inter team.
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    I think inter would have trouble buying him, with FFP. Might have look up on him now, would be a very good Valencia replacement, offensively, from what i know. I haven't heard anyone calling him sound defensively mind you.
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    Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry

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    If he can't into the Inter team then don't want...
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    That was only during first half of the season. He was back from injury IIRC. Since then he is regular and plays almost every game. Inter fans love him.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Net wages.
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    horsechoker Sailor vee, this is a right off.

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    If his demands are too high, we'll have to Cancelo the deal :wenger:
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    Nate Dogg Don't Make Me Angry

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    Ok, thanks for confirming.
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    Nick7 Full Member

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    I mean it says how many games he's played for Inter in the OP...
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    Freak Born a freak always a freak.

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    The lad can cross a ball well.
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    Go get Joao coat!
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    He's done really well going forward but hes had some ups and downs defensively from what I'm aware
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    Stats would suggest that he would improve our chance creation from passes, more dribbles down the wing, more accurate crosses but would give the ball away a little bit more than Valencia. He'd also make less defensive actions but maybe Mourinho would get more out of him defensively.
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    Being brutally honest, he's nowhere near the level required to play at Manchester United. And this says a lot coming from someone who's not only from Portugal, but also supports Benfica, his former club.

    Cancelo was not even a starter at Benfica. Yes, he's fast and a very accurate dribler, but his lack of positional awareness damages his game style.

    Ricardo Pereira from Porto would be a much better solution and would cost less.
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    Don't quite know what to make of this link...he's generally good in the offensive phase, and almost as skillful as a winger:



    But really inconsistent (even in attack - has games where nothing come off and a startling percentage of crosses are inaccurate), suspect in terms of decision-making and a so-so marker — probably why he played as a wide attacker at Valencia on a semi-regular basis - ahead of Martín Montoya — essentially, he has all the issues that plague someone like Bellerín - good athlete, but positionally suspect and his development has kinda stalled - don't think he's improved that much in 2-3 years. Mourinho might mold him into a better and more consistent defender, but this would be a risk-fraught move, nonetheless.
    https://internews1908.it/beppe-bergomi-shock-cancelo-non-lo-riscatterei-ecco-perche/

    Ricardo Pereira is more stable (he and Telles have been quite good for Porto), and you could argue that even a youngster like Dalot has more potential than Cancelo and already comes across as a more naturally compact defender.
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    Peyroteo Professional Ronaldo PR Guy

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    He's not good enough, very fast but that's it. He's flashy, will have games where he's great in attack, but a lot of games where he can't do anything and he'd be a massive defensive liability so I'm also completely sure Mourinho won't go for him.

    Odriozola is a much better option.

    @Invictus nice post. Dalot could turn into a special player, he's been very highly rated for a very long time. I'm not that big of a fan of Ricardo Pereira, he's good but not good enough to make the jump to one of the bst teams in the world imo.
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    I think he'll stay in Spain. I think Real were looking at him.
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    I watched the Inter-Juve game the other day and was impressed with his usage of the ball. Would make sense as a platoon with Valencia for the next year or two for us to have a young guy better going forward than defensively.
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    TheFlagStaysDown New Member

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    He's a talented, offensive minded fullback, with a bit of coaching in the defensive area, Mourinho would make him into a fantastic FB, think he can play on the left too, but hardly seen him in a game this year, just his Valencia days, and it would be a good "revenge" for Perisic
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    Indeed. Most of the talented U21-23 spanish players already have preference clauses for Real/Barcelona/Atletico. If take in account that 99.99% of the spanish players desire to play in any of those top three clubs it make things even more difficult.
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    yes. He'd give us a proper attacking presence from right full back.
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    Is Carvajal's health that big a deal that Madrid would get another right back that's obviously good enough to start on just about every club?
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    @Invictus

    While those are fair points/assessment, it doesn't really tell much about the profile of player we may be looking at. With the lack of true winger who stay wide, the need for a full back to cover the whole blank is necessary. We look at someone like Young we can say he looks as suspect defensively as it gets but he still gets game because he fulfill enough tactical duty. Sure we need upgrade, but even the surer option is also a gamble and not many available.

    Cancelo is inconsistent, but he has all the tool to own the whole flank. Have plenty dimensional to approach attack. Right foot, left foot crossing, Run to byline, play accurate long ball, cut inside and quick one two, or simply maze dribbling past one 2 player on his own. We're looking to change to 4-3-3 so there would be another defensive capable midfielder so the full back especially on the right flank where there is no one keeping width up the pitch, wopuld be afforded more freedom going forward by having someone helping him out defensively.

    Edit: And there is a chance he's purchased as attacker (right winger). He doesn't look far off from a traditional winger.
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    buckooo1978 Full Member

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    so according to stats he's a slightly less effective Ashley Young
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    Rozay Master of Hindsight

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    And 10 whole years younger. Context needs to be applied when targeting potential.
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    ti vu Full Member

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    Seem to be linked with Real Madrid more if AS to be believed
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    He's Portugal starting right back at the WC, is he? Will be an interesting watch if United want him
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    Not sure who is starting. Cedric when he played for Portugal offers more balance. Kinda like Maicon vs Alves situation at Brazil NT. Even in 2014 where Maicon clearly was worse overall than Alves, Maicon turned out to be better as starter. Then you have Semedo in the mix, it's not as black and white as far as I see with Portugal NT.

    Edit: Also if anything, he is scouted enough, and clubs would try to get the deal done before WC. he's not some unknown player after just first break through season. The risk of his price skyrocket after the WC than the other way around
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    broccoli Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016

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    Won't go past this level due to poor decision skills. Would look into someone better honestly.
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    Cancelo won't even go to the World Cup, he's our 4th choice right back since Santos is very defensive.

    Cedric will start, Semedo on the bench. Ricardo Pereira deserved to go but he won't.
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    Oh, he has the tools to be very effective as someone who can surge up the flank, alright — in fact, I was very much a believer 2-3 years ago based on his physical traits and projected performances on the basis of said traits. e.g.

    http://www.redcafe.net/threads/what-do-we-still-need-post-summer-2016-edition.421337/page-3
    http://www.redcafe.net/threads/joão-cancelo.403852/

    However, he has just not taken the expected steps in his development - which is concerning from the standpoint of signing him. In relative terms, he's not a much better or more efficient or more influential attacker vis-à-vis his performances circa 2015, he's not improved his decision-making or positioning by a discernible margin per se, and he's as suspect defensively as he was back in 2015. Ideally, you need someone who shows great appetite for improvement, and offensively - can really explode as a difference-maker (like Guerreiro - aside from the fitness issues, or Kimmich at Bayern, or Semedo - who improved a great deal at Benfica prior to the transfer to Barcelona), and I doubt Cancelo has the ability to do that given his track record.

    There's a real dearth of top rightbacks, yes - however, for the type of offensively predicated role you're describing a 4-3-3, I'd very much be in favor of signing Odriozola instead (like others have mentioned above, including @Peyroteo): he's just as dynamic as Cancelo and Bellerín, but evidences better decision-making, better appreciation for crosses as regards timing and delivery, better dribbling vision, greater tenacity, and so forth. Have greater faith in him emerging as a potentially elite level fullback.

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    Is Alex Telles, in your view?
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    I prefer him to Ricardo and his set piece delivery alone is a big weapon. I think he could be a good option for United, not the best option but a decent one. The level from the portuguese league to the top leagues is getting bigger so it's becoming very tough to say who will be able to make the jump or not.
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    ti vu Full Member

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    I understand what's coming at. I will try to come from another perspective here.

    First let's try with Marcelo & Dani Alves career trajectory. Marcelo got into the scene at younger age. Show great promise, but has different stagnation period through out his career, until now where he fully realize his promise, yet he is still very much flawed in some aspect of his game. dani Alves on the other had a smooth developed career. Break through-improving- peaking-declining. The projected, expected development ain't something I support as different players develop different and there are too many different aspect in environment need to get factored in.

    So with that I compare Cancelo to Marcelo. He can be said to have stagnated. Yet his level is still acceptable and arguably be better than what we have (especially going forward). Why not go for Odriozola? Here is just speculation. It's not like we don't want but Cancelo is more obtainable or at least at cheaper price which go along way to help us manage our budget and obtain targets for other position. Odriozola is pretty much going to the WC and favorite to be a starter. He unlikely gets sold before WC which means his price tag can be increased after. With shorter transfer window this time, it's a mare for us as it's not like we have a clear run for him, so the chance of getting bullied into paying more is high!!! All in all, we are in no position to not entertaining other target even if people don't rate, don't like it.

    Edit: Valencia wants to keep their team which means they want Kogdobia to be tied down. Inter on the other hand may miss CL football. As we know, Inter had problem balancing the book so without CL football money, they may find it hard to spend money to seal Cancelo. Even if they do, they may consider hot sell him for small profit. That makes Cancelo is more obtainable. Since this is transfer discussion rather than rating X vs Y, I believe this perspective needs to be looked at. And IMO between Cancelo and Odriozola, Cancelo would save us plenty of problem while give us breathing space to work on different target for other position than potential dragging saga with Odriozola with huge risk of ending up in vain. Of course, we don't have ITK info, so these can all be just smoke screen for unnamed target
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    Not quite, different outstanding skills. But yeah the stats would suggest that he'd be a problem defensively at times like Young is and much better on the ball going forward. Rates the top there in all the skills you'd want from a winger (key passes, dribbles, accurate crosses) so he'd almost be an extra wide player similar to Valencia when he was doing a good job. Maybe better. But defensively its a question mark
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    Nowhere near good enough. He’s been shocking for the last few months.