Discussion in 'Player Performances Forum' started by Sir Matt, Aug 19, 2012.
tell him to ignore this thread please!!!!
Apologise for me drinking all his vodka one night in Rain
Was poor today
I missed the first half working, but that was never a penalty in my opinion. The dude kicked the ball past him and barged Evans.
How was his all round game penalty aside?
Nah. fecked up a bit for the pen but his distribution was good all night.
Was lended absolutely zero protection from Giggs/Ando/Rooney.
Crap today, 1st half he might as well have not been there. That said was unlucky to concede the penalty.
What did he do wrong?
I didn't think he did anything particularly wrong, as has been said the midfield offered zero protection and kept the ball so poorly the defence was constantly under pressure. Didn't help that evra was having some dodgy moments.
He was good - penalty was a bit soft and am still seething at the commentary of Warren Barton and more so from that c**t Wynalda - the latter who seems to take pleasure from disparaging United or the players.
In the first few mins of the game he made a bad decision not to deal with a ball that could have cost us. When they hit the post in the 1st half he should have gone up with his head not his feet and also got dispossessed a couple of times far too easily. When Rio came on for him we looked a lot more solid.
It's a shame because I thought he had a good game against Chelsea.
lol that's really nitpicking that he should have gone with his head. Am sure if he had and the other guy still got the shot off you'd be saying he should have just stayed strong and tried to get a foot in.
Evans was fine considering the amount of times we simply let Braga attack us.
He never will be top level, but he is a very good squad member.
You could see the difference in quality when Rio came on, he was composed, commanding and his positioning was excellent. Evans just doesn't have that presence about him, that playing personality.
Solid, wasn't poor at all. Considering our midfield did nothing to help our defence, our whole defence could be rated very high for tonights game.
Very poor. Always looks a lot more shaky without Ferdinand or Vidic next to him, completely messed up in the beginning where he didnt read the play and was caught out of position. We were lucky not to go a goal down then.
He knew what he was doing with the penalty and leaving his leg out to take the man, I'm sure he thought he'd managed to get him just outside the box rather than a penalty but it was always a risk he was taking.
Tbf that first bit could easily be down to no one giving him a shout which you see now and again. Still think it's harsh to blame him for the pen which was both a harsh call and Rooney's fault. There was very little Evans could do, the guy didn't even go over his leg he went straight in to his chest.
It was never a penalty! The bloke just charged right into him! Nothing at all he could do about it...
He'd have probably got away with it if he didnt leave his leg hanging looking for the ball and miss it. He wasnt just standing there, he went for the ball missed it and blocked the man.
But I swear the guy didn't even go over his leg, he went straight in to him.
Exactly right. If that was a legitimate penalty then anyone can win the CL by simply running into defenders at full speed all game long. Football will evolve into some kabaddi hybrid.
Gerrard would win about 5 penalties a match
It doesnt matter. Evans went for the ball and missed it
You need to check out the rules of the game mate.
Edit: Trying to get them here but wont let me copy. See section 12 both for penalty kicks and for indirect free kicks. You'll find that Evans challenge is classed within the latter under 'impedes the progress of an opponent'
What else could he do? The guy was on him in seconds, he tried to get the ball and the guy ran straight into him, he didn't kick him or anything. He didn't even have time to react as the guy was straight on him as Rooney just gave away the ball.
Clearly not a penalty. Evans hardly moved and he ran in to him, as it was commented after the match, most refs would not give a penalty and if you showed them the replay, most of them would give a freekick the other way.
He didnt just do that, he went for the ball making it a clumsy looking challenge.
I get that but it still comes under 'impeding the progress of an opponent'.
I dont think it is when you've challenged for the ball. You time it or you give away a freekick/penalty
Clearly a penalty. Evans is moving to his right when he realizes that the attacker is going to the space he just vacated. He tries to change direction but is too late and he tries to win the ball but is too late. It's not just obstruction because he obviously puts his foot out towards the ball and anyone saying there is nothing he could have done is deluding themselves. He tried to change direction and arrived late, taking down the attacker and not coming close to winning the ball.
As is usually a good judge with these things, imagine if that was your team on the other end.
Again, check the rules. There's 10 ways to concede a penalty, tell me which one that comes under. It's clear as day as far as I can see that its unintentional obstruction - indirect free kick
Wasn't on top form tonight I didn't think but not bad either. That penalty was unfortunate, although I'm inclined to think the ref had to give it given the slight movement and the fact that he did sort of commit. I dunno though, it's difficult.
How can it be an unintential obstruction when he went to hook the ball and missed it? It was a mistimed challenge
Because the challenge for the ball hasn't caused the foul. The obstruction has
Careless tackle, he missed the ball completely.
fecking hell. It was never a penalty.
Evans could have been doing the Hokey Kokey with his lags and it wouldn't matter. The guy pushed the ball past him from about two foot away and then barged into his chest.
Should have been a free out, and if you see it as obstruction which it wasn't it was an indirect free kick.
For obstruction you have to move your body infront of the attacker to prevent him coming through. Evans didn't do that.
Evans made a careless tackle and missed the ball completely, it's a penalty regardless of the barge. The foul had already been committed.
It was a penalty to be fair. The ones who believe it wasn't would be the same people who would plead for a penalty if Rooney bumped into Kompany like that.
In today's game - that's a foul.
Well it's certainly not a penalty, and I'm the same person that will happily say that Rooney's wasn't a penalty either.
It doesn't matter whether or not Evans sticks out a leg... that leg makes no contact with the player in any way shape or form. He just runs/jumps straight into Evans, who physically can not get out of the way. Being stood on the field of play is not against the rules, and that all Evans is doing. He has made no movement to impede the Braga player or halt his run in anyway.
For those saying "well Evans made a challenge" ... what about those famous situations where players stick out a leg, and the attacking players drags their feet in order to make contact... is that a penalty too? A challenge has been made afterall...
What are you watching? Evans is moving to his right and then tries to get back to his left at the last second. He's not just "stood on the field of play"
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