Jose Mourinho - Was He Right?

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    AJ10 Full Member

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    A interim Manager has a say in contract extensions of players who he won't manage? :lol: We're a badly run club but not that badly, Unless you have inside info. Do you?
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    DemonOfTheFall New Member

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    I've been following this forum for years mate, you don't need to be a member to be able to see the stupid posts people put up week in week out.

    It's obvious that guy has a mourinho agenda and has for a long time, if you don't want to see that then fair enough.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    Definitely he had imho. Feel free to disagree.
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    abdo99 Full Member

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    An impressive dedication to the cause.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    He may or may not have but i am going with the logical conclusion rather than made up stuff.

    But regardless, he'll be at fault for playing these shit players next season when its clear they're shit. Jose made the same mistake and paid the price, now Ole's turn.
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    Robbie Boy Full Member

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    We apparently would have won the league if only he had been allowed to sign garbage like Perisic, Willian and Maguire, or something.
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    Chipper Full Member

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    Well he wasn't wrong. Of course he should take part of the blame himself for bringing certain players in but ultimately he is/was right.

    The board should have backed him or sacked him last summer. When they did neither he should have either resigned or just got on with it without bitching about the situation or slagging players off which was totally unprofessional.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    The logical conclusion actually is manager staying for 2.5 months will have a say in contracts extension.

    Especially when this was coming after the honeymoon period when he was the front runner for getting the permanent job.
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    LazyRed-Ninja LazyGrammar-Ninja

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    United conceded almost double as much goas as last season. You do the math if Mourinho was wrong in wanting a defender... (albeit his antics didnt help as well in disrupting the team dynamics even more).
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    redshaw Full Member

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    Repeat of my post a few weeks back.

    Ole was made manager on the 28th of March. Jones and Young were signed in early Feb when Ole was a caretaker for 7-8 weeks. These deals would've been happening before Ole was ever thought about.

    Smalling was signed in Dec while Jose was in charge and Jose said he was happy Chris had signed a new contract.

    Martial signed in Dec while Ole had been here for one week as caretaker. Contract talks have been ongoing since the year before where Martial refused an offer from the club.
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    Buster15 Full Member

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    He was indeed. He made himself quite unpopular for saying that but in reality Ole has found out what a massive job he has.
    I really do worry for him.
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    He was right but he also wasted £300m trying to fix the problems. Shouldn’t really forget that.
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    First of all we don't know the players he really wanted in or out. If indeed he wanted Perisic and Willian, I would have taken them and bet they would have done well for Jose. I still wonder why we did not pay those extra 3 million to get him Perisic two seasons ago. Maybe that would have saved us the horror of signing Alexis later on. Secondly, football is an interesting sport. If you bring in the right set of fresh players into a squad, some of your so called 'average' players can come alive. Competition breeds good performances. Look mate, maybe I am wrong but one thing I know is that Jose knows how to build his own kind of winning teams. He has proven it over and over again. This is my basis of arguing he would have won us the title. A team is like a jigsaw. Jose has always believed in the whole rather than individuals. We should have allowed him to finish what he was building OR we should have fired him immediately after last season. For me, either would have helped us to build on last season.

    Right now I am fully backing Ole. If the club can build the right structure around him, I am confident he will at least get us back on track even if we may need another manager to take us back to title winning ways.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    The fact that United conceded double is a blight on the manager more than anyone else. The fact that none of our players actually improved under his tutelage is also an issue and a reason why he shouldn't have been backed and should have been sacked way sooner.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    As I said unless you have inside info, its made up stuff.

    No club will care what a interim manager says about extensions But of course you think that so good for you. if you believe this then i am sure you also believe contract extensions only take a click of a button like in fifa rather than taking time in negotiations between club and players but yeah, as I said before good for you if you believe that. :rolleyes:
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    Untd55 New Member

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    You think the manager has more power than they do. It is evident that club refuses to sell players (Darmian and Martial - maybe Rojo as well) even though the manager wants it.

    It is also clear that the club signs players to contracts without managerial approval (Jones and Young).

    The combination of these means that the club is less willing to sign the players a manager wants. If they are not willing to sell, they are not willing to replace. That is what happened in the last summer transfer window.

    Jose didn't clear out this mess? Only the board can sell and sign players. All the manager can do is request, but if the club refuses is that the manager's fault?
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    anant Full Member

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    Right about what?
    We are the 3rd best side in the league and since OGS came in, we finished 3rd in the league! Under Mou, we were 6th and were closer to Wolves, Everton and the likes than Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs!
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    Zoo Full Member

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    He had his chance and blew it.
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    I think it's obvious by now that we need more then £300m to fix this problem. He did make a couple of dodgy signings yes but he also took this same team to 2nd we shouldn't forget that.

    I think I've already posted in here but my opinion has changed slightly after the Ole bounce has worn off. He was poison and he was losing the dressing room with he's antics but I think Neville said this also that once the club stopped backing him he might as well have left which the club didn't get him a CB. So I think it's Woodward who is poison and we need him out or out the way if we want to move forward.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    You're also making stuff up as much as me by pointing he had no role in extending contracts.
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    Esquire Full Member

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    I’m not sure why we are debating whether he was right. Everyone knows the team was not going anywhere and needed heavy investment. What was also right was that he was not the man to take the team forward. The fact that Ole may not be the one either does not negate the fact that Jose was a complete ass, alienated team, management and fans and ran himself out of town.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    United wanted more money than clubs were offering for Darmian and Martial wasn't going to be sold to bring in a 30 year old (no club is that stupid, even ours), not sure about Rojo.

    Maybe the manager has all the power or he doesn't but if he doesn't want the player he can keep him in reserves like he did with Blind and never play them. But jose played them every week, first names on the sheet. There were no reports (which we're going by) of selling Smalling/Jones/Young etc plus jose said young will play many games, So i am guessing he wanted them.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    Sure, thinking a interim manager has a say in contract extension (which takes time to put forth) isn't made up because he was here for a whole 2.5 months.



    Yeah that doesn't sound made up. :lol::lol:
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    C'est Moi Cantona Full Member

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    Why couldn't he have just hung on until Feb/March, then Carrick probably would have got the interim job, and we'd maybe have made good on all the promises post Jose sacking.

    Jose has just doubly screwed us over this season without even knowing it.
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    Untd55 New Member

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    Since 10th March 2019 we have been 15th in results. We have lost 8 in 10. You can't keep harping on about being 3rd in the league when it clearly is not the case now.

    Facts are: we started in 6th under Solskjaer and ended in 6th.
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    Him getting to second with this team was the closest we will get to either City or Liverpool in the near future. Mourinho was far from perfect and made lots of appalling decisions but was right on many things as well.
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    Regulus Arcturus Black Full Member

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    This 1000 times over, except the part about "probably have won the premier league today" but we've had been a lot closer. They either needed to back him, or sack him, they did neither and as always with Jose, that's when the shit hits the fan.

    We've made so many mistakes since SAF.
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    I said nothing about Mourinho. He needed to go but wasn't close to being the cause of our downfall. My comment was your assessment of "biggest mourinho fanboy this site has ever seen", after being a member for a week. You've obviously done extensive research so, feck me.
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    anant Full Member

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    We were 8 behind 5th, finished 5 behind 5th. Were 1 clear of 7th and finished 9 clear of them
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    Untd55 New Member

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    I doubt it is that easy to drop players to the reserves. Maybe one/two, but I think there might be a conflict with the board if you did much more than that.

    Either way, the manager will still need a squad, so if he dropped all the undesirables he wouldn't have enough to make a team. Not specifying exactly which ones Mourinho would have wanted to get rid, because nobody really knows, but I am just saying that I doubt selling players is that easy, particularly at this club at the moment.

    There was talk about Sandro, so potentially wanted a new right back. Perisic and Willian, so a winger. Alderweireld and Maguire. So, I am pretty sure that in these positions he at least wanted to replace someone in the first team.
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    I was in support of Jose's hiring because I thought he would be the only manager strong enough to phase out Rooney, a club legend but clearly past his due date. I do not like his style of football or ego but Jose knows how to win and lets face facts if Zlatan had not suffered a freak injury we would probably have continued to win trophies and possibly the league.
    Jose's ego does not allow for sentiments such as those that overate players like Rashford because he is a local lad.
    I think Ole's problem was that he is trying to please the fan base. I would admit that Lukaku is somewhat clumsy but if he was played throughout the season as the main striker we would have done better.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    Sure, I agree not easy to sell players but over 4 transfer windows? surely that shouldn't have been a problem and jose isn't the type to play players he doesn't want.

    We're shit and getting shitter as time goes by but Imagine having three 30+ year olds to stink up the place after season or 2 along with the mess we have right now.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    You're free to believe whatever you want but for me sure as hell a manager staying that long and the front runner for getting the job will have a say and anyway I hope you'll have enough courage to come here next season and admit you were wrong because let's be honest we all knew who is going to be proven right in this discussion comes next season.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    What are you on about? I already said he'll be sacked if he plays those players, Read first rather than making shit up.

    and you're free to believe a interim manager had a say in contract extensions (when they take time to put forth). Of course its stupid to believe what you believe but you're free to make your stupid choices.

    Good for you.
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    el3mel Full Member

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    You're also free to make things up out of your mind and blame others for doing the same. :lol:

    What a pointless discussion.

    Yeah sure a manager staying for over 2.5 months and about to get the permanent job after honeymoon period isn't going to have a say in players discussion at all. They got forced on him or something.

    Whatever makes you feel better about Ole, buddy. Won't be the first or last time I see someone here having a point everything points to it being wrong but persistent on proving he's 100% right and others are stupid.

    And as I said we all know who is going to be proven right from this comes next season.
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    Wazza4Gaffa New Member

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    I am a big Mourinho 'hater' and I will tell you he was right. We are closer to relegation than competing for the title at this point and I will not be shocked if we finish bottom half next season.
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    TheNewEra Knows Kroos' mentality

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    I'd honestly take Mourinho back and a board change, a DoF and get rid of most of the squad.
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    It's not an accident that Guardiola and Klopp are at the top of the league. A few more bad results and Pep could have been gone after his first season. Jose has won for years, he got us up to second... I don't get replacing him with someone who relegated Cardiff. I would have understood Zidane because of his victories with a big club and I'm sure he can lure world class players.

    I will support the team with a positive mentality as always next season but I'm truly frightened to see the quality of players that Ole can recruit.
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    DemonOfTheFall New Member

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    I know what your comment was about. And as I've said I've read this forum for years, me being a member for only a week means nothing.

    He has an agenda, that is really obvious, that's all I'm saying. And I would've thought that was obvious to anyone, unless your of the same opinion as him.

    Anyway my last post for today.
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    AJ10 Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    Proven right? when i already said he'll be sacked if he plays those players.....Twice. I guess your Jose crush hasn't gone yet, poor jose only had 4 transfer windows and half a billion to spend.

    Have nothing for or against Ole but I am not an idiot who believes a club will let its interim manager make a decision on contract extensions after a whole 2.5 months when contract take time to put forth.

    Life must hard for you, to be as clueless as you are.