Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Utdfrom2002, Sep 14, 2018 at 08:00.
Ah yes of course.
They are all cnuts.
Rashford this Rashford that but yet not improved with us and I doubt he will.
Yes, looking at it objectively Rashford has better opportunities to develop as a centre forward elsewhere. I'm just not ready to accept the only answer is for him to pursue that at a lower PL club, hope the move works out and that he can make his way back to a top club (preferably us), than stay here and fight to make it as a United forward.
It's so pathetic. How that was 'extraordinary', I'll never know. They just can't take being put in their places.
What a bizarre accusation to make in a post where I specifically stated that I think Mourinho is right
I'd prefer him to stay, but Id also like Jose to move to a 2 striker system. I wouldn't mind him going on loan and us signing a winger, but I would prefer the former option.
Absolutely love it when our managers take a shit on the cesspool press.
A lower club would not want Rashford!? He would be expected to help out in defence and use his head (on the football). Or probably a lone furrow up front. Too precious to do that.
To me he does not seem too fit easily in the category of false number 9, second striker, target man, or close control winger, speedster winger? More of a utility player?
After every great press conf. we looked bad on the pitch. Hope this time will be different.
Can somehow understand that he feel the need to defend himself, but hasn’t he realised yet that media, pundits and random guys on the internet will spin things either way they feel like, or conveniently misinterpret words spoken? Going on rants and showing everyone he’s a bit touchy will only make things worse.
Do you recall a player called Thierry Henry?
He was played on the wing for countless games before he was given the strikers role. Didn’t work out too badly for him, did it?
You do realise thats one of the reason he left Juventus, because he didn't want to play on the wing and he moved to Arsenal who moved him back to the striker position and the rest was history
The lying mouthpieces that call themselves journalists should always get disdain and ridicule, it's the least they deserve.
Exactly - the guy was completely average or even worse as a winger.
He wasn't average, he did well at Monaco playing wide, but he always wanted to play as a striker.
He most definitely started his arsenal career as a winger. Must have been at least a season!
You're not understanding are you? He left the club he was at, because they didn't play him as a striker, he left the club he was at partly because they were playing him on the wing. He moved so that he could get a chance to play as a striker which the manager who he previously already knew who knew from his time as Monaco who knew he was a striker.
Your example makes no sense, because he did exactly what is being suggested, leave so he can progress as a striker
My point is, he joined Arsenal at 22, a full 2 years older than Rashford. It didn’t do him any harm whatsoever, playing as a winger before he was a striker.
It must improve your positional sense and where and when to make runs as a striker.
Rashford isn’t being harmed at all at his age in his development to whatever position he ends up playing in.
My take on this is, you're either supporting the rock-faced Scouse or the current Manchester United manager. There is no middle ground. I was going to joke that folks would forget about the suspension and claim Marcus doesn't get enough minutes but we have actually reached the point where folks will conveniently forget.
The first Black mirror episode is really starting to hit a nerve nowadays. Let's all grab a pint and watch the PM shag a pig on camera.
If he stayed at Juventus maybe he wouldn't have become one of the best strikers in the game, he wasn't a good example for you to use. Because he left his club
Also I never said anything about Rashford being harmed, in fact I haven't even said he should leave United. I have said he needs to get minutes as a no 9 and the point that was made by Carragher was a valid one. Which IMO it is, the only reason to say it isn't is tribalism
Basically, Carragher, Redknapp and all those other ex Liverpool media pundits are full of crap.
They have the biggest anti United agenda going.
Why DON’T we hear about the lack of minutes for other teams young players? It’s because they love stirring and attacking United.
Unfortunately, this argument doesn't make any sense.
If United won the League Cup, went deep in the FA Cup, did reasonably well in the Champions League, and had their usual PL programme, they might play around 60 matches.
You could bring Rashford on as sub for 30 minutes in every single league and CL game, never starting him once, start him in the FA Cup and League Cup, and if you divide it by 90 minutes then you'd have around 30 matches of 90 minutes. This wouldn't really tell the full story.
Rashford is not trusted to play in his best position in the biggest games. I'm sure if you examine that statistically it will be impossible to disagree with this. That doesn't mean that it's a bad decision, but pulling out of a load of stats doesn't change this.
Yes. 100%. We didn't deserve what we got at Tottenham and I hope it hasn't put him off experimenting with tactics. Again, I've a foot in the kick him out camp, but I feel he knows he's fecked if it doesn't work here and will make it happen. He seemed a lot less upset about not getting another centre back than those idiots how hired a plane.
Jose came out of this presser well, just as he did in the previous one. No sign of that chronic depressive attitude he was showing at the start of the season anyway. Good signs.
Great news that Shaw is available, I was certain he would have been out for this encounter.
He's 20 years of age, a mere baby in football terms.
Give the lad some time.
Was thinking same thing.
Striker isnt his best position imo.
Its predictable and inevitable.
Sure feels like the media's hammering of Jose is helping him a sort of siege mentality among most of the squad bar the likes of Pogba and Martial, although tbf to Martial he hasn't even spoke to the press.
He isn't really trusted to play in the first XI in the biggest games, though. This is nothing new for Mourinho, he has never put his faith in young players.
Has Delaney not been banned before? He's on par with some awful tabloids but seems to get a by ball because he's at ESPN. Should genuinely be banned.
This isn't true.
He started in the FA cup final, and Europa league final.
Started against Liverpool in which he scored a brace.
Started against Chelsea early in the season.
Given that's just off the top of my head and he no doubt played in more, you're obviously incorrect when you say Rashford doesn't start in the big matches.
I am telling you why Mourinho said what he said. If Mourinho hadn't you would have nothing to agree with him about. You would suckle the balls and swallow the headlines whole.
Good press conference. We need to be punching back.
So, there is an obvious agenda. Facts won't change it; responding or ignoring it won't change it. The media will make up/alter and write whatever suits the narrative. Mourinho isn't in charge of the discourse and no matter how he trys to alter it, they flip it on him.
So, his appeal to the fans makes sense. He's done expecting anything from the media. He is now speaking directly to the fans. It's interesting to see how he responds going forward. Also, I wonder if they'll get tired of these stories. I suspect that it will all depend on our performances.
This is a very good post. I like the boldened part particularly. I think Jose's 'rant' was as much about protecting his team and Rashford as it was about defending himself. And it is note worthy that he emphasised the point that he was rolling out those facts for the sake of United fans and not the press. Those lies sure have a way of sipping into the fans and the dressing room and Jose knows that. He was right to fire back with facts.
Nonsense. It’s fecking obvious that Rashford has played loads at United. More than most players his age. We don’t need Mourinho wheeling out a bunch of “fachts” to work that out.
A lone striker in a side that sets up how we do definitely not, he isn't really the type. However I do think its his best position.
This is really the key
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