Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Salus Populi Suprema Lex, Jan 27, 2018.
I'm pretty sure winning suits all the fans..
There isn't a manager in the game who has a play style that would suit all the fans. All fans have different preferences for what they find exciting.
When Jose joined us, the only World class player he had in the team was DDG. Just one.
Under SAF, I remember when we had Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham. Schmeichel, RVN. Can you see the difference?
Pep had KDB, Kompany, Aguero, D.Silva + unlimited funds.
Given the above, you expect Jose to arrive and immediately make us contenders, with only 1 WC player?
I realise that you have don't like our manager. And you probably hate a few of our players (which makes me wonder why you bother even watching MUFC play), but to completely disregard the fact that we were very short on top class players, is ridiculous.
In 19 months, Jose has taken us to 2nd place and given that he is a manager of the highest quality, I expect him to be pushing for 1st place next season. Something which LVG and Moyes failed to even get close to, during their 3 years with us.
We should respect Van Gaal for making shite of our squad and sucking every last hint of enjoyment out of watching us play? Good one.
Where have I ever said I expected Mourinho to make us contenders ? I'm easy Joe, success will come when it's good and ready, I was talking about disrespecting his predecessors, something you're less likely to agree with if you couldn't wait to see the back of LvG.....
No, i Don't like the Manager, never have, probably never will, but, and it's a big but i'll never demand he leaves.
I don't do hate, certainly not towards somebody i've never met, so no I don't hate any Manchester United player(past or present), though it's probably best that Wayne Rooney had left United before I joined the forum.
What's 'we' got to do with it ?
“We” being the people who agree with Mourinho that Van Gaal did a fecking awful job at building a top class squad (despite spending a ton of money) and left an onerous task for his successor. But according to you that’s disrespectful, or something. Weird.
I'd heard about these LVG apologists but to actually observe them in full flow is quite mind blowing.
I couldn't care less if we won the FA Cup, the PL, the CL, a Bafta and a Nobel Prize all in the same season. We played the most insipid brand of football I've ever witnessed in my life and even though the Mourinho brand isn't exactly the Harlem Globetrotters it's night and day compared to the drek that Van Gaal served up on a regular basis.
That's the problem with Jose. His records will always look good because he dominates smaller teams but his big 6 records are always bad. His overall record automatically looks satisfactory. Jose does not go all out against big teams unless he has total trust in his team to perform their best. He also needs a team whose mid-field and wingers are the best in the world. His right field conundrum coupled with issues in mid-field and wing back issues will always drive him towards a more defensive approach. I for once so not blame the manager because i think Moyes and Van Gaal sold most of our good players for mediocre ones. Except for the big number 9, i think Mourinho has done well in the market and will continue to do so. We will soon have a good team and will race for the title and CL. Keep the hopes up and get the best out of the current squad is what he's trying to do. He needs specialists and good ball handlers which i doubt we have all around the pitch.
Compared to the last two managers, he is absolutely fresh air. Support the man in control. He's doing a fine job.
I liked Louis but he just replaced dross with more dross. He wasted money on Schneiderlin, Depay, Valdes (wages) , Di Maria, Schweinstiger (three years on one of those players is in semi-retirement, one retired, one never wanted to be here, two that are no where near the standard of a top 6 team), Falcao was worth a punt, he's a great great striker, but LvG also bought Darmian, Rojo and Blind. Blind is a squad player, Darmian less than that and Rojo was rubbish till Jose turned up. Herrera was a good buy, but LvG bought him then benched him. He also got rid of Evans - a player only a year older than Smalling and a better player. Blind is essentially a Dutch Evans. Excellent on the ball, prone to the occasional mistake. Got rid of Kagawa and never replaced him and sold Chicharito for a pittance.
Let's not forget he played some of the most insipid football a top six Premier league side has ever played. We almost never looked like scoring despite keeping the ball for ages and doing nothing with it. It was so bad that:
- We lost three straight games in a row.
- We managed 6 shots against Cambridge Bloody United - a league two side - and drew 0-0.
- We blew a 3-1 lead to a Leicester side that barely survived the season.
- We were tonked 4-0 by MK Dons.
- We lost to sodding Midgetland.
That should never happen to any Manchester United team.
Same here. I appreciate what he did for us too: He made Fellaini look like a player again. We tonked City, we had Juanfield. He bought Martial (and put him straight in) and brought Lingard and Rashford through, sabotaged the Fax machine, got rid of Welbeck and he was a one man meme machine who showed that dancing twat Pardew his big brass Dutch balls. But modern football passed him by.
Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time We try to talk about something fun and not anti mourinho, you make it not that way.
We lost SAF - in the shit - the best football manager in the World.
We hired Moyes - in deeper shit - a mid-table manager at best.
We hired LVG - we held our heads, just above the shit - the most boring football ever seen at OT.
Whichever way you look at it, when Jose took over, we were in the shit!
That was the big one, for me.
Midgetland only formed in 1999. 16 years later they beat MUFC.
So, imagine if today I form a new football club. And in 16 years, my new club beats MUFC. That would be one of the biggest shocks in football club history and that's what happened.
Are we still discussing that Jose was the wrong guy to sign after LVG? Can't believe it. You can hate his style of football(still the team with the best defense and the 3rd best attack in the league), you can hate the fact that he has been an asshole all his managerial life but you just can't say that we should have got someone else instead of Jose after LVG. It was Jose or bust. There was no other manager who could've won us two trophies(and were pretty good in the fa cup too till a stupid ref decided to award the game to Chelsea by showing a red card in a 50-50 game), get us back in CL, convince Zlatan, Pogba, Sanchez, Lukaku, Bailly to sign for us, be in the highest league position we have been in half a decade and still in for a shout in CL and the FA cup. I don't think you can find a manager who could have got us farther than Jose has in 18 months. From the shit we were in after we won the FA cup in 2016, we have a much stronger squad, with 3 genuinely world class players in the starting XI and looking like Manchester United again. We are far from a finished product and we have to go a far way but the state of the club under Jose isn't in question. He has done a great job of getting us where we are.
What's it got to do with the price of snuff what you or I think of the job LvG did previously when you're replying to my comment about Mourinho being disrespectful ?
Not sure if you’re being deliberately obtuse at this point but I’ll spell it out for you again. I (and, presumably a lot of other fans) agree with Mourinho’s take on the state of the squad he inherited. Are you saying it was disrespectful of him to state the bleeding obvious? Because that’s exceedingly precious of you.
Louis van Gaal has said he inherited a “broken squad” at Manchester United from David Moyes.
Wonder if there were posts about how disrespectful Louis was?
LVG is a visionary free from criticism and every single trophy United win since LVG's departure is due to his genius. That is the undeniable fact I learnt when I was initiated into the cult of LVG.
I've never defended LvG's recruitment, but signing players is always hit'n'miss anyway whoever the Manager is, there's no guarantees.
I was replying to a comment about the players he sold, most who would have been high up any Manchester United poll as players that should be binned anyway(i'm sure somewhere on this forum there will be evidence to back that up), and of those he sold there's only Rafael, maybe Johnny Evans(and it was his choice to leave) who i'd have kept
Not sure how you can say we wasted money on Schneiderlin and Memphis when we got back as much as we paid for them, or near as damn it
ps, We shouldn't have lost 0-3 at home to York City, but we did
He destroyed the squad by getting rid of average players, and replacing them with even worse players. He then coached said players into a turgid style of football that wasn't suited to the Prem, thus delaying any resurgence as it took Jose a while to coach that tripe out of their system.
Bad parenting, and decades of Drink and Drug abuse contributed.
ps. Wtf are you talking about ?
Ahhhhhhhhhh, now it makes sense, so that's why Mourinho is so keen to keep The Bogbrush at Old Trafford then ?
Did he ? The bastard, get him back and sack him again
No need to get cute pal, most Managers, or the more classy ones don't feel the need to state the bleeding obvious as you say(certainly not for 3 months solid anyway)when they get a job, or find it harder to do than they had expected it to be, surely if there weren't problems at the club they wouldn't have got the job in the first place.
We're talking about professional footballers here, not robots that need re-programming
How many training sessions do you need to get the message across to up the tempo, and get the ball forward quicker ?
Wow, you're on a roll again!
Moyes - everyone agrees was crap. At everything, a true all rounder. Squad was actually ok here. Ageing but ok.
LVG - in the grand scheme of things, ok achievements + entertaining personality overridden by horrendous style of play + some poor recruitment. Squad is pretty average but with a couple of prospects.
Mou - Excellent so far. Not perfect but much better results, more goals, trophies and he has the pull to entice the big names back to OT. Squad is now decent, a few tweaks and we'll be among the elite.
Honestly? I think it takes quite a while. I don't think mata has ever been the same player for instance. He's much more risk averse now.
Oh right. You are being precious. What he said actually bothered you. Well I can’t change that. So I’ll shut up now.
Don't know, but when you can get lower division clubs playing hoof-ball, bring a new Manager in and be playing 'football' with the same group of players almost straight away you'd think it would be even easier the higher up you go.
You've lost me on Mata, has he got more or less freedom to try stuff now ?
My point is that I think he's more scared than he used to be now. I think he's much more concerned with keeping the ball, I think he turns around and passes the ball backwards way more than he used to. He used play more clever little 1-2s and through balls.
Since Louis, I find he's much more conservative. Just my own personal opinion, I've no stats to back it up, and just going on what I see.
Behave yourself with being precious, I just expect better from a Manchester United Manager speaking to the Worlds media, you obviously don't
Well I’ve spent my entire adult life happily watching a Manchester United manager use the media for whatever agenda was on his mind at the time, including a few spectacular fall outs with the media themselves. So I’ll just have to concede to your higher standards (I suspect double standards would be a more accurate description, mind you)
Since then, he brought in Zlatan, Pogba and Sanchez!
3 WC talents with the right character and winning mentality.
So backing your teams manager is frowned upon now?
The people dissing the Europa League trophy don't understand that United's squad last season was Europa League-quality. So yes winning it is a significant achievement. It's not like United underperformed in the Champions League group stage against giants, dropped into the Europa League, then sleepwalked their way to the title. It was hard-fought and hard-earned. Look at Mourinho's and the players' reactions after the win if you think it didn't cost them something to win.
Nope, but commenting when your feel the Manager has over-stepped the mark is, apparently
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