Justin Kluivert| VDS: Raiola pushing him to leave in summer

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  1. Jan 6, 2018

    pocco loco

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    He reminds me of Memphis more than Kluivert. His decision making, stopping to twist and turns, unnecessary skills. Kluivert is more of a flying winger that we have seen do better in the PL. Just my opinion. Don't think Neres looks anything special at all and a lot of what he does would get dealt with in the PL.
  2. Jan 6, 2018

    TheForgottenOne Full Member

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    Kluivert has played some nice games against very weak opponents. Not much more than that.

    The rookie misstake here is thinking a youngster from your country is a world class talent after just a few good games. We have been the same before with players like El Ghazi, Fischer and Kishna.

    Kluivert has to develop a lot more before he should ever even become a real option, while consistently tearing up defenses in the Eredivisie, and more importantly against the top 6 opponents. He is nothing more than a decent youngster to keep an eye on for now.
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    Of course a player is going to look flashy in a flashy compilation vid. you can watch videos of all his touches in most Ajax matches on youtube

    Neres is one of the more functional wingers I've seen.

    Also "flying wingers" like Hazard? Neres also isn't traditionally a winger. It's just that's the position we have for him. I believe he played more centrally throughout his youth, and would function incredibly well as a second striker.

    this was his first proper start for us, where he started nervous/poor and during the first half won confidence and became our motm



    Here's a match this season where our team was poor (we lost this match), and look how no one else is giving any off the ball movement, and the lack of help he was getting when on the ball



    Yet he's constant pass and move. Trying things. He does lose the ball when dribbling, but tends to dribble mostly when there's little support by his teammates. If you watch him week in week out you'll see how strong his fundamentals all are. One thing that's a bit frustrating though is how heavily he leans into defenders when dribbling, which can lead to him to falling over.

    Also I'm not saying he's perfect or even looks anything massively special in this videos, but if you watch him you can see that there's so much more to come, and despite that he's already got a ridiculous goal+assist / game ratio (eredivisie leader). He's still acclimatising, he can't even speak the language yet is our most consistently important and involved player this season at the age of 20. Kluivert is just under two years younger but they're in similar stages of their careers seeing as Neres has just one professional career match more than Kluivert at this stage.

    This is Neres' first proper top flight season and he's already leading the league in goals+assists despite being a sub for the first 1/3rd of the season so far. And he produces consistently every match, not in flashes like Kluivert
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  4. Jan 10, 2018

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    Frenkie De Jong is more interesting.....
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    If we're looking at wingers/forwards from the Eredivisie it should be Lozano.
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    "Manchester United are in advanced talks to bring 18-year-old Ajax winger Justin Kluivert to Old Trafford in the summer.
    Now it is believed United are ready to agree a fee of around £10million with various add-ons for the Dutch Under-21 ace."

    Reports John Richardson.
  7. Feb 3, 2018

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    Could see this happening. We need more really talented youngsters to provide backup and step in when needed with a view to them being the players of the future.
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    Definitely worth taking a look at for that fee.

    If we land him it may be more worthwhile to loan him out somewhere other than Ajax. Even a Championship side - See how he looks outside of his comfort zone. He's an interesting prospect but still a ways away from first team consideration.
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    Bring his little brother too...

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    If we do it, it has to be this summer so he can qualify for homegrown status. But I would immediately loan him back to ajax or another Dutch club for another season.
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    I don't believe this at all from John Richardson. If it had been from David McDonnell then I would've believed it some what..
  12. Feb 3, 2018

    Thecarrickfan_2016 Banned

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    The last time we tried to get a Kluivert, He went to Barcelona.
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    Adisa Full Member

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    I can't see his father letting him sign for a club where he won't play.
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    Sign and loan back maybe? Ajax would be brilliant for him to continue his development.
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    Does this pose the question is Mourinho already losing faith in Rashford IF this link is genuine?
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    He’s in a bit of a form dip last few games. Really not at all ready for United. Maybe in a year or two, but even then I have my doubts.
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    haram Full Member

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    10 million seems very cheap.
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    davidmichael Full Member

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    For me I’d say no as Kluivert is a winger/inside forward whereas I think Jose sees Rashford as a central striker, with Lukaku and Zlatan around this season added to us not getting a winger/inside forward in the summer it’s meant Rashford has played lots of games wide but I don’t think that’s where his future lies.

    Jose is already saying he doesn’t see how he can improve his attack yet at the same time is saying Zlatan can baaically leave in March if he wants too for the MLS which says Rashford is integral if not indespensible, I think we’ll sign a right sided forward (Bale ? Kluivert ?) in the summer and then Rashford will rotate with Lukaku as the main man up top.
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    lysglimt Full Member

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    We did pick someone with the exact same DOB who did ok though
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    Anustart89 Full Member

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    For everyone wondering, it's Ruud.
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    Seems a strange story to make up for clickbait, especially as the article doesn't mention any crazy figures.
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    You'd think the Dutch media would have the scoop on this if we were in talks... McDonnell who is the Manchester correspondent for the Mirror hasn't said anything either.
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    He wouldn't cost a fortune because his contract expires in June 2019.
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    In today's market you have to get them before the price soars.
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    manunited1919 Full Member

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    Yeah, but Ajax wouldn’t be interested in selling at that price. Much better to develop him further a couple of years and easily sell him at multiple of that price.
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    Damien Self-Aware RedCafe Database (and Admin) Staff

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    They can only do that if he signs a new contract.

    With how close Mourinho and Kluivert were during the EL final and Kluivert's agent being Raiola, I can see it being a goer. Kluivert's comments make me a bit uneasy though. Last thing we need is another player who prefers being on the left:

  27. Feb 4, 2018

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    Is he really that good like Future World Class good?
    I have seen a few videos, he looks good, nothing special IMHO.
    But for the reported 10 mill, why not, that's pocket change.
    Hope we keep an eye on Frenkie and Matthijs de Ligt, the latter was the player who impressed me the most in the EL Final. Very mature and calm on the ball for a 17 year old. Him and Bailly would make a great combo if you ask me. Even Barca wanted him before they went for Mina
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    A bright prospect but like he said himself he only just started and defenders are starting to keep an eye on him. He needs atleast three seasons in the Eredivisie as an important player for Ajax before he even considers moving to a bigger club.
    Eredivisie keepers are a joke compared to other european leagues.
    I still think Memphis’ failure is because of his terrible attitude while players like Berghuis turned out to be just not good enough for the next step. So Kluivert needs to score more than Berghuis in the eredivisie (currently on 12 goals).
    One huge plus is that Kluivert is a very smart boy with the right sensible people around him who only want what is best for him.

    Not sure why he would come to United though, his best position is on the left and we are currently stacked there.

    Also dont see Ajax nor Kluivert accepting a buy and loan back deal.
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    According to transfer market or whatever its name is, his contract would end in 2019 summer. Knowing Raiola, Ajax unlikely be able to turn the table by playing tough. 10mil + bunch of good add-on doesn't sound so bad a deal for them. There is every chance we may allow them to loan him for another season, so basically they lose nothing accepting it now. Being a Kluivert, perhaps the kid doesn't have money as big drive as much as other coming from poor background, so he doesn't need to go with the January transfer playing hard ball route to force a move.

    Another poster may have a point regarding we may look at him to be able to qualify as homegrown player by signing him this summer. I meant in long term, even he can't reach very high ceiling, being a homegrown, it would help us getting a good fee to cover whatever we plan to pay now. Of course, nobody hope for that scenario. Win-win situation for me.
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    Say what you want but that looks very genuine to me

    Even if you don’t think the words are interpreted 100% correctly, for the most part it looks bang on and José showing him admiration is undeniable
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    Adisa Full Member

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    When is his contract up?
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    ti vu Full Member

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    Summer 2019 using Google search.
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    Seems more like something LvG would say. Remember his speech?
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    Would rather give Chong a spot at the wings. He's a ridiculous talent.
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    Adisa Full Member

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    Thanks. Fee makes sense then.
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    2019, we could have two Dutch flyers on either wing in the near future.
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    Chong in my opinion is better and takes the RW spot. Kluivert prefers the left..
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    KM I’m afraid I just blue myself Staff

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    We have loads of options on LW. Both young and in prime.

    We could the Chelsea thing, sign him for cheapish due to his contract situation and loan him to a club for 12-18 months and then evaluate him later.
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    Would be a good move, we should also do something similar with Frenkie De Jong..
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    dutchred Full Member

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    I have seen a lot of Kluivert and I don't think he is better than Chong. I would rather we look at Frenkie De Jong as a long term replacement for Matic