Kalidou Koulibaly - part deux

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    JohnnyKills Full Member

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    Be very careful about suggesting someone's a racist without evidence.
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    passing-wind Full Member

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    Godfrey is actually not a bad shout, I think the club should also look at Nathan Ake for me been one of the best centre halves in the prem this season.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    The poster isnt suggesting anyone is racist
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    JohnnyKills Full Member

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    "Koulibaly clumsy? Is that because he's big and black? So he's obviously a brute."

    Yes he is.
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    El Zoido Full Member

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    Phil Jones is called “clumsy” or a derivative of clumsy more often than any player I’ve ever seen.

    Phil Jones is not black.

    Ergo, it’s not “always black players that are called clumsy”, maybe it’s just, y’know, players that appear clumsy are often called this, and some of them just happen to be black.
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    JohnnyKills Full Member

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    Agree completely.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Nope. Thats not calling someone racist but calling out possible ignorant use of a racial stereotype
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Phil Jones is clumsy, that's the difference. Koulibaly might like a sliding challenge but that isn't what i'd label clumsy. He's usually very composed.
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    JohnnyKills Full Member

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    If you use racial stereotypes in an ignorant way, you're a racist. Sorry mate. If you can't see that then there's no point arguing with you.
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    Langers7274 New Member

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    What are peoples thoughts on Alderweireld? Can't help but think if UTD bought a solid CB like Koulibaly as well as Alderweireld for his buyout of £25m, I know he's 30 but far better than Jones, Smalling and Rojo. Them 2 signings with Lindelof and Axel I think would be a good start, add to that a decent RB, to sorting out this mess, offload the other 3. I think that would be some terrific business
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    This is what I had in mind too. We'll have 4 solid options at CB including Lindelof. We can sell off the rest. Smalling, Jones, Bailly and Rojo are all not good enough for us.
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    ChaddyP Full Member

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    And that's the point. He's not yet somehow players like him constantly get called this for some reason
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    ChaddyP Full Member

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    The term used was "big and clumsy". Never heard Phil called as being big mad clumsy. An argument can easily be made for Phil Jones being very error prone and that's fine. Just because you think this one random white player is actually clumsy doesn't erase the fact that some how players that look like Kalidou are constantly being seen in a certain light like "big and clumsy" even if it's obviously farthest from the truth.
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    Nytram Shakes Full Member

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    Koulibaly, Godfrey & james. That's probably around £120- £130 mil so most of our summer budget. Maybe we could get in one more player.
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    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

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    Every 5 posts it's something like "rather De Ligt". I'm sure if we had any chance of signing him he'd already be here.

    Koulibaly would be a very good start to the window, but we need to move quickly to sign a RB, a RW and a DM as well. Then I'd be mostly satisfied.
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    Freak Born a freak always a freak.

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    What is our budget anyway? We will recoup some from selling players like Lukaku and/or Sanchez and/or Pogba.

    We still need 2 midfielders and another attacker and a right back.
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    Sanche7 Full Member

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    Who is this Godfrey lad?
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    AltiUn likes playing with swords after fantasies

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    No one knows, everyone's just speculating. I'd imagine it's sizeable, we have tended to go on spending sprees after missing out on the CL post-SAF.
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    Ben Godfrey from Norwich.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    No you are not racist if you use a stereotype in an ignorant way. If that was the case most people would be racist.

    Its not an argument, the reason you cant have conversations or move past things is because people keep conflating calling someone racist and calling out racial stereotypes.

    Anyway this isnt the thread for this topic.
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    I think that's a great idea, the problem will be imo getting rid of what we have . To me clearing the squad is every bit as challenging as buying players to bring us back to the top. too many players happy to sit on the bench and pick up a nice cheque every week
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    JohnnyKills Full Member

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    Agreed. Let's agree to disagree and move on.
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    Nytram Shakes Full Member

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    Well, last year we had an operating profit of 44.1 mil and spent about 80 mil, so logically it seems unlikely we will be spending much more than 124.1 mil as we would be making a loss, obviously a few variables in there, but that seems a logical top end of our budget without sales.

    Yeah if we make big profits from sales then that may change. Though I would caution anyone who thinks we are gonna get any money for Sanchez, likely it is going to cost us money to get him off the books with his insane wage, age and form.
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    Nytram Shakes Full Member

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    Norwich centre back, had a great season, with good coaching could be great.
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    Wazza4Gaffa New Member

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    Have a look at his training goal and Youtube and tell me if he's clumsy. I'd pay money to see Smalling attempt it.
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    Adam-Utd Part of first caf team to complete Destiny raid

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    He's probably more skillful than everybody in our squad bar Pogba/Rashford.
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    Thanks guys
    Ideally we should sell two of Rojo, Bailly, Jones and get a top class CB and a young one with good potential who is very good in the air (as we only have Smalling who is really good in the air)
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    Can we sell Bailly now that he is injured? Jones just signed a new contract, I guess he will continue here. Rojo is the only one I can see leaving the club.
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    Koulibaly is an excellent CB. He is powerful, he is fast and he is currently the best CB in the Serie A. In the past he was a bit clumbsy but he improved in the past 1-2 years.

    Having said that he is not Rio Ferdinand. Koulibaly won't sort the defence by himself and moving to the EPL at his age is tricky. Honestly Id rather see us sign Skriniar. He's not at par to Koulibaly yet but he is younger and better to what koulibaly was at his age. If inter are truly interested about lukaku and sanchez then a swap deal with Skinny, icardi + money could be made
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    dev1l Full Member

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    From what I read in the Italian media, both the player and the club are not in a hurry to sell. They would only sell if the right offer came in.
    Having said that, there are reports saying Juventus may also be interested. In that case maybe naploli would prefer selling to us.
    Other unreliable reports are saying Icardi is looking for a house in naples.
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    DanClancy Full Member

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    What sort of money would Napoli be paying him?
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    Is he old? He’s only 27 and in his peak of his career.
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    poleglass red Full Member

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    28 next month, for a footballer that's ancient. A players prime years are between 19-20, everything after that is gradual decline
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    Nickosaur Full Member

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    He would be my number one choice for CB, but as we are in such a mess and need to upgrade in several areas, i don't think United can afford to spend £100m+ on him.

    Maybe there is some sense in getting Alderweireld instead at a quarter of the price - as long as we are sensible with the length of his deal. Allows us to put more funds elsewhere.
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    Garethw scored 25-30 goals a season as a right footed RW

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    How the feck is the word clumsy a racial stereotype? There are clumsy motherfeckers everywhere, regardless of skin colour. I’m white and about as clumsy as you get.
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    Sterling Archer Full Member

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    I'd love to have De Ligt as well. But if we consider the need for some maturity in the squad, gotta imagine that's a big plus with going Koulibaily.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Didnt say it was
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    Regulus Arcturus Black New Member

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    He won’t cost some of the daft figures branded about here imo. If he goes this summer it’ll be VVD money at most.
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    2 man midfield Incestuous Modern Woman (Dumper!)

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    Is the thread of a black player ever really complete unless we have this argument?