Kalidou Koulibaly - part deux

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  1. Jan 9, 2019

    Josep Dowling Full Member

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    I think Bailly can be a fantastic CB, if we look at his performance before this season. He is erratic and his positioning can be awful at times. He needs a Van Dijk type next to him which is constantly shouting to him about positioning.

    Whilst Lindelof has looked more solid I think against better opposition he will get found out, he's too slow and gets beaten by aerial duels quite a lot.
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    MadDogg Full Member

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    Last season? Smalling and Jones were the ones who mostly played last season, and even Lindelof played significantly more than Bailly.

    Bailly had a good three or so months when he first joined us. Since then he's been all over the place, with as many terrible games and periods as what he has had good.
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    I disagree here. I know what you mean, but a top quality CB that's great at defending and on the ball (and is fast!) is useful to any manager.
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    FootyGirl88

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    I agree - I haven't given up on Bailly I hope he can regain his form
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    VeevaVee despite the protests, wears Ugg boots Scout

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    People on here often do change their opinion with the wind/the last game, but I don't think having a player settle and perform a bit better then changing opinion is daft. That's surely how it should be? Better than those that are too stubborn to change their opinion.
    Similar with those that don't live up to what was once expected. Jones had a pass for a long long time because people thought he was going to become some incredible player, as an extreme example.
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    red thru&thru Full Member

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    Harry190 Full Member

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    Think the biggest loser with regards to Koulibaly is France. Missed out big time on someone who would've definitely helped. In terms of stability.
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    They seem to have done alright without him, tbf.

    Also, it wouldn't be fair on other counties if they also had him.
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    Nickosaur Full Member

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    How much did Bailly actually play last season?

    He hasn't shown enough in 3 years. When do we cut the cord?
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    giorno Full Member

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    Why the feck would you hire a guy who doesn't rate your core players? :houllier:
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Well we hired Jose... :lol:

    I agree though key part of the interview process
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    BrianMcClair'sBarnet Full Member

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    Because its the (recent) Manchester United way.;)
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    SS Full Member

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    We should get rid of Jones and Rojo before we think of cutting Bailly. He's still quite young for a CB, so there's plenty of time for him to cut the rashness from his game. If he does, he'll be a very useful asset to us.
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    poleglass red Full Member

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    I think Bailly is caught in between styles. He's a modern type defender in that he's good at a lot of things but master of none. He's too poor in the air to play as your physical man marker central defender in the PL. The rashness is also an issue, that maybe could be tweaked but aerially he's not ever going to be dominant.Not so much an issue in CL but for sure in PL. He's decent with the ball without ever being your main ball playing centre half. There's also the issue since his initial arrival he's hasn't shown any levels of progression, in fact if anything regression.
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    Judas Open to offers

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    Hardly, they've got plenty of choice at the back, and they've just won the world cup!
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    mav_9me Full Member

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    I like his aggressive style of defending. Of course there is a fine line between aggression and rash stupidity. The other thing is if we plan on playing this current attacking style you need defenders who can defend one on one and are pacy which I think are his strengths. Agreed about him not being great aerially.

    About the regression, hard to judge under Mourinho. We'll see how he does from now on.
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    Judas Open to offers

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    Bailly and Koulibaly would be a terrifying partnership, as in, I'd be terrified to watch it. There might be a great defender in Bailly somewhere, but we're no closer to seeing it than when he arrived, if anything, we look less likely of seeing it. I'd not rush him out the door first when we have bigger wastes of spaces about the place, but I don't think we'd be made to look that daft for moving him on if a great offer came in.
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    Eckers99 Michael Corleone says hello

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    I think Bailly is good in one-in-ones but lacking in pretty much every other area.
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    Sterling Archer Full Member

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    Koulibaly
    Koulibaily
    Koulibailly
    Kolbailly
    Obailly
    Bailly

    I expect their on field partnership to blend as easily as their names.
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    Patrick08 Full Member

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    OH come in he was pretty decent in first season, second season was injury ridden but he did well in moments specially like Liverpool game. And in his third after few initial mistakes Jose treated him like he treated Shaw. There is still a lot of potential in bailly and hopefully he can turn down his over aggression and be a stable defender soon enough.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    My problem with Bailly is that he’s also injury prone
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    So would you be if you had to train with Jones.
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    Devil may care Full Member

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    I'm hoping the Manolas stuff is just bullshit to push Napoli's hand, as despite their protestations I think their owner wants that €100M he's pretending they've already been offered, just like when they sold Higuain, Koulibaly is never going to be worth more than he is right now. .
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    Seven Seas Sardines Full Member

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    Never really thought about it that way. The players must be over the moon that Rojones are always in the treatment room. When they're fit everyone else is in trouble. :lol: :nervous:
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    Sassy Colin Death or the gladioli!

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    We might be in for the long haul on this one.
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    Kidders Full Member

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    Spot on, Koulibaly is at his peak (most valuable) if, and I do mean IF we offered the €100m they would snatch our hands off.
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    Minkaro Full Member

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    Does this mean we'd have to leave him out of the squad to play Chelsea?
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    Seven Seas Sardines Full Member

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    I'd get a Koulibailly #34 shirt if they form a great partnership. Beats Pogkaku 69.
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    red thru&thru Full Member

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    :lol::lol:
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    Bwuk Full Member

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    Can’t say I’ve watched a lot of him, but all the highlight videos I’ve seen show him storming out of the line to slide tackle someone.

    I’d imagine he’s a great 1v1 defender, as he’s fast, very strong and powerf, but I do wonder how he’d fit into our defensive system.

    Like I said - I haven’t seen a lot of him.
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    nainaisson New Member

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    That sounds painful.
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    nainaisson New Member

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    Yeah, I can see this happening too. It's the perfect way for Mourinho to stick it to Woodward for sacking him.
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    I'm a fan of Bailly but apart from his debut season, he's been all over the place when it comes to his injuries and his bad performances have been a complete fiasco. Either way, I think we need to get Skriniar and Koulibaly... if it means paying 150m to replace the back two.... then so be it.

    Shaw ---- Skriniar ---- Koulibaly ---- Dalot

    No a huge fan of Smalling either but he's done okay alongside Lindelof... so they would be decent backups.

    Bailly, Jones and Rojo need to leave.... Hopefully, we can put together about 50-60m by selling them.

    I think Tuanzebe and Roshaun Williams need to be given a run in the cup games alongside one of our stronger defenders to gain more confidence.
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    Ekeke Full Member

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    Better make that £200 million. Inter will demand whatever the going rate is for Koulibaly with the theory that he's much younger, will play longer and become better.

    If nobody will pay £100 million for Koulibaly then Skriniar would surely cost less.
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    beingshe7don Full Member

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    I agree.... that may be the case but since Vidic and Ferdinand... we've had

    Johnny Evans
    Smalling
    Jones
    Rojo
    Daley Blind
    Bailly
    Lindelof

    Vidic and Ferdinand were definitely in the best top 5 defenders in the world. We haven't had any since they left... The reason City have become such a force to reckon with by actually spending heavily and wisely in replacing their defense and actually getting it right. Our priority has to be CB and possibly a CM at this point. I think Koulibaly would bring the Van Dijk sort of belief on the defensive side for us. I also think that Lindelof plays a lot better when he complimented by a leader sort of figure which Koulibaly would offer.

    I wouldn't even mind if we got Koulibaly and De Ligt.... along with De Jong for the CM position. Now that would be a great transfer window.....
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    Devil may care Full Member

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    Yeah, it's a game from Napoli right now, unfortunately it's one that probably wont play out until the summer, which is a shame as Koulibaly could be the defensive piece that helps us get top 4.
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    poleglass red Full Member

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    I keep reading from so called pundits/ reporters that this deal will more than likely be done in the summer. I am wondering of that narrative suits us and we play along then and bang seal it up at the end of the window.I know his club are feeding the line that he has to stay as they are fighting to win europa league but there's usually a twist in these types of deals.
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    Patrick08 Full Member

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    We can still get top 4 regardless if we just focus on playing the way we should and have some trust in what we have to see it through. We had second best defense in epl since last two years, it just doesn't go so bad in half a season other than managers poor defensive tactics and his methods shooting down the confidence of our players.
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    RedorDead21 Full Member

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    I'd rather see Bailly and Lindelof both playing as first teamers for the remainder of the season before be decide we have to invest in another CB. Lindelof has been much improved and hopefully Bailly can follow a similar pattern. A DoF for me needs to be in place and making the decisions before another player joins the club.