Knife attack in ireland

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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0103/930792-dundalk-death/

    1 dead, 2 injured

    It seems that an Egyptian teenager stabbed someone in the back and also attacked other men in a different location with iron bars.

    FWIW I don’t agree with the police handling of this with the media, already saying they are going to check how he got into Ireland. By all means do that but do it behind the scenes, the public are now assuming that this may have been a terror incident. The truth is that it probably was a loan LONE nutter
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    The public reaction to this has been pathetic. A lot of people seem to be coming out of the woodwork who look like they've been waiting with a knife and fork for a "terror" attack to happen in Ireland so they can express their racist views on immigrants and refugees. It's sad to see it overshadow the death of someone, really.
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    The Outsider Banned

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    I've been looking on the politics IE forum just to get the feel and a lot of them seem unhappy about taking in asylum seekers when they have their own homeless.
    Some of them they see as bogus yet just the numbers seems to be the issue in relation to what they as their own homeless problem.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Ireland’s weird. Message board and comment sections are full of far right bile, yet we’ve no far right party to speak of. Thank feck.
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    spontaneus1 Hamster, damn!

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    Makes you wonder how many of them are actually Irish.
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    The Black Pearl Hurling Man of the Land

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    I think it's best I say nothing about this incident.
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    parkthebuslads Full Member

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    Instead of judging them the public for being angry and afraid (an entirely natural reaction), how about we have enough backbone to be honest about this problem. Because the truth is that it probably wasn't "a loan nutter". It's "probably" happened for the same reason as the majority of such things in Europe.
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    Its funny isnt it, the whacko conspiracy nut in me hears of this happening at the same time Nigel Cnutage is supposedly in Dublin talking up the benefits of Irexit.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    The public do not need to hear assumptions, what purpose does that serve?

    All the police needed to say was “we have arrested an 18 year old male, our inquiry continues”
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    parkthebuslads Full Member

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    It's an obvious thing to look at, people would expect authorities to do so. Confirming the action will not compromise the investigation, so I'm unsure why you would bemoan police giving too much information.
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    FlawlessThaw most 'know it all' poster

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    True, if he is Egyptian and not a white lad, it rule out the “loan nutter” aspect straight away :rolleyes:
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    Its the immigrants that are racist against immigrants?
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    I think he meant people commenting online are probably not living in Ireland and it doesnt represent the opinions if the people in the affected area.
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    Yeah I bet he worked in a bank.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    Boom boom!
    I thought you’d find humor on your travels :)
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    I guess that's about reassuring the public. People will want to know how he got in and how they could stop someone like this coming into the country in the future (not that it's possible tbh) So when an asylum-seeker does something like this, it kind of makes sense to come out and say that the investigation will include a review of how the individual came into Ireland in the first place. With witnesses and survivors in the mix his nationality/ethnicity was gonna come out at some point and the "terrorist" rumour mill was gonna kick off regardless.
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    spontaneus1 Hamster, damn!

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    What I meant as @prateik said, members of the far right who have never even visited Ireland jumping on the attack to spread their Agenda. Easiest to see this on sites like reddit where you can see where else they post.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    My point is that playing the race/nationality card straight away serves no purpose other than stoking fears. Imho it’s not relevant information yet. He could be a legal immigrant or even born here
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    They're not really playing any card. His race/nationality is what it is and it would always come out. If he was a legal immigrant or born here they should have come out and said that too. The whole issue is so volatile it doesn't help anyone when the authorities are in any way less than transparent. Look what happened in Germany when they tried to brush the Cologne attacks under the carpet.
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    Tabloids reporting the guy was refused asylum in the U.K. and only entered Ireland via NI a couple of days ago.
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Wow. If true that will add a fair bit of heat to the Brexit border discussions!
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    Yeah timing couldn't be better. It's the perfect storm really for conflating and muddling at least three major separate issues (Brexit, migration, jihad).
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    A month and a half ago, happened about 60miles away. Terrorist too?

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...er-three-men-stabbed-in-belfast-36352273.html
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    You said it probably happened for the same reason as the majority of such things in Europe. I would say the majority of stabbings are domestics followed by gang crime. Terrorist stabbings would most likely be the minority of all stabbing incidents.
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    Wouldnt it just be as bad if it was an Irishman that did it?
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    I would suggest mass stabbings in Europe are typically terror related (at least in recent years).

    Of course. The significance of nationality and motive relates to understanding precisely how and why it's occurred, because at least in theory that gives you some chance of preventing repeat attacks.
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    Perhaps, not sure if that data would be available, but in this isolated incident all we know is that one person was attacked and killed with a knife. Therefore I would say it is significantly more likely that this would not be a terror related incident as has been clarified by an garda.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate

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    Where do you guys loan nutters in Ireland?
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    I never thought I’d see the day that terror reaches Ireland. Feckin immigrants

    In all seriousness though - it doesn’t sound like it was planned or at least not very well. Wouldn’t it make more sense to do it in Northern Ireland with its Uk connection? Or at least Dublin?
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    Three people were stabbed. The guards have said they have found no "established link" suggesting a terror motive yet.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42563473

    Reported now as no terror link. Original article in OP states that one was stabbed and other two were attacked with a bar, although I do think I heard it elsewhere that a knife was involved in one of the others.
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    Just googled knife crime stats for Ireland and apparently it has the worse record for knife attacks in Europe.
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    Massive Spanner Thinks Geoff Shreeves has one

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    Kind of meaningless stat though isn't it? We have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.
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    golden_blunder Site admin. Manchester United fan Staff

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    That’s just limerick
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Stay classy, Dundalk.

    Seriously, though. What manner of eejit decides the best way to spend their day is to hang round outside a court all day, hoping to hurl abuse at random criminals? Weirdos.