Koulibaly, Sancho, Wan Bissaka and Rabiot

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  1. Mar 10, 2019
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    steakpie New Member

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    I agree. Dalot is much better and more suited to United.
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    Danish Wizard Full Member

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    Sign Mathijs de Ligt to the defence.
    Diadie Samassekou to central midfield.
    Jadon Sancho to the forward line.

    Keep introducing our own young players through next season.
    We should be good for fighting for the title.
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    Juan King Dead New Member

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    Valentin Ringier should be considered as a No. 6 - No. 8 player for any top club. This guy doesn't even know how good he is. If he had started his career near big players like Carrick, Rooney and Giggs we would be talking about another Verrati. Buy him, give him a season to bulk a little bit and make him believe what a fckn great player he is.

    His red card against Bayern is unforgiven and unforgettable. I don't want to see him in a red shirt. He is not a starter for Lyon. That says a lot. So, Wan Bissaka it is.
    You should also know that the right back that shares the time with him comes frome Nantes, a tram that always produces good footballers.
    And that's why I want to see Rongier in a big team. Maybe Inter or Valencia, but certainly bigger than Nantes.
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    dutchred Full Member

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    but we havent given Dalot a consistent run at right back and we have Laird coming through the youth ranks. In terms of talent Laird is the defendive equivalent of Mason
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    Is Rafael available on a free from Lyon ? How’s he been getting on there ? Is he over the injuries and is he worth a squad role ? Unless the plan is to promote Mitchell or try Borthwick-Jackson again we’re an injury to Shaw away from having no left footed left back and going back to Young on the left again.
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    Can anyone link me to a video where Sancho looks like a 100m talent. Haven't seen it yet with him.
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    I would'nt argue with strengthening these positions but apart from Sancho I think there are alternatives we should consider, I'll start with Koulibally, absolutely no problem, left sided, experienced and I'd say better than any CB we have, BUT if we are spending £100m I'd rather spend it on De Ligt, it's a lot for a young player, but he really does look the real deal and someone you'd build your defence around for 10-15 years.
    So assuming it was De Ligt I'd be looking for a more experienced RB, again no problem with Wan Bissaka, but because I believe Ethan Laird will make the first team in the next 2/3 years, a combo of Dalot/AWB/Laird is overkill, I'd like us to sign Thomas Meunier, also better than what we have, but at an age that will allow Dalot and Laird to establish themselves long term. Rabiot ?? I really don't know, if it's a free ? then worth a punt I guess but I have't seen enough of him to convince me where he would play, because of Matic's age, DM is the most likely to need replacing, I hear the arguement that Herrera could do the job of DM, and obviously McTominay has the opportunity, but I'm not convinced, (after watching Frenkie De Jong against Real, the bar has been raised), if we are taking anyone from PSG it should be Verratti.
    Sancho, the same situation as De Ligt in so far that it WOULD be a gamble, an expensive one at that, but again it just feels 'right', if we could offset his transfer by getting rid of Sanchez, the balance of our attack would be so much better.
    BTW we should also be looking at some competition for Luke Shaw
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    Andersons Dietician Full Member

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    Has the question of why Rabiot is considered a good alternative to DeLigt been answered yet?
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    Cliche Guevara Full Member

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    Dalot will be 20 next week and Ashley Young is clearly still rated by the club.

    Whatever you think we’re not buying a right-back. I genuinely don’t understand why people keep mentioning it.
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    If your attitude is deemed too bad for club like PSG, that's really saying something!
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    Cliche Guevara Full Member

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    On the contrary I’m now thinking that falling out with PSG might not be such a bad thing.

    Those people seem a bit crazy and over-entitled.
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    Mcking Full Member

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    Young, 21 years, English, flavour of the season, nuff said.
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    I think it's because football clubs don't just look for the best player from a technical sense. Obviously he is competent so it's not an urgent problem but, they'll be looking at the experience and leadership needed on the pitch and in the dressing room. He's clearly still been needed from that perspective as we've had an inexperienced and inconsistent back line for quite a while until Smalling was back.

    It may change in the summer with Dalot and Lindelof coming on a bit more.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Young is a liability
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Hes actually been playing well since last season. Very good player I would take him in a heartbeat

    Him and Dalot rotating with Dalot also providing cover for Shaw too.

    Hes better defensively than Dalot amd Dalot is better going forward so its a good balance of options to have
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    Cliche Guevara Full Member

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    Yeah, and you often find players are genuinely far more highly rated by their teammates/coaching staff than supporters.

    It can be dangerous getting rid of a popular player and bringing in s stranger who, ultimately, might only be a minor upgrade. Especially if there’s a significant cost.
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    deadrevelz New Member

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    Maybe they confused De Ligt with De Jong.
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    Yeah I'm not a massive fan of Young. I just feel we need to hold fire a little bit in his position because his replacement in Dalot/Laird is already at the club. I think that signing a player in his position would be a great shame for both Dalot and Laird.
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    That’s what I was thinking as it’s the only thing that makes sense. What I wouldn’t give for DeJong though, the other night he was impressive.
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    Yeah, we don't see what goes on behind closed doors and unless the camera is on them most supporters don't see the communication and organisation that players on the pitch are doing.

    I've been as frustrated as anyone (well, maybe not anyone) with Young's limitations on the ball and his individual errors at points but we do have to trust that the club have a succession plan for the position that factors in all of the possible issues.

    I will begrudgingly accept one more year with Young, hopefully with a handover to a maturing Dalot next season. I think that right wing and centre back are priorities.

    Mata will likely leave, I think - he doesn't fit in with the high press system we're moving to. Sanchez still isn't reliable and doesn't seem to play on the right- Lingard is good, but perhaps not ideal on the right. Chong needs a loan move- he is just way too raw, but if he can get that composure and improve decision making he can be a very very good player as he has so much energy and great technical ability.

    Rojo will leave, and Bailly and Jones aren't reliable - so we need to add to the squad- I'm not sure if Tuanzebe is the answer for the Rojo/Bailly place, but maybe Ole will go with him since we're pushing academy players.

    Possibly centre midfield as well depending on how Fred, McTominay and Garner are progressing- as they are all still maybes/ prospects while Matic and Herrera are approaching or over 30.
    I'm not sure what is going on with Periera in terms of contract, and not sure he is ever going to be good enough.

    I have a feeling that it might be a quiet summer though! Maybe just one player in and internal promotions to replace leavers. Just a suspicion though.
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    :lol: he scores 2 decent free kicks and you want him at United? He’s not good enough. No way.
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    Ideally would move for De Ligt instead of Koulibaly but he is a great defender, Sancho would be nice and Rabiot could represent good business without a transfer fee.

    Dalot > AWB as he is already here and we can save the £50m it would take.
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    De Ligt instead of Koulibaly, no thanks for Rabiot and I'm very happy with that.
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    He shows leadership by being made Ajax's captain at a stupidly young age, starts for Holland and comes with a reputation of becoming one of the best defenders for the next 10 years. If we were going in for a central defender I'd much rather spend the money on him rather than Koulibaly given the age difference. Koulibaly is near 29 and only just the last few years come to the attention of world football, De Ligt is doing it at 19.

    Seems like an easy decision - assuming he'd want to come here of course but not sure he does
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    bosnian_red Worst scout to ever exist

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    I like AWB but no point in having both him and Dalot. Need an older right back who can play on both sides if needed but better/younger than Young. Meunier fits that pretty well.

    The midfielder we buy is a huge question mark. Is fred good enough actually to be a squad player and rotate with Herrera? If so we need depth at the holding position, unless we think McTominay/Garner can have a sufficient impact there and grow into it behind Matic. Between Pogba, Herrera, Matic, Fred, McTominay, Pereira, Garner.... I feel like we can sit on that midfield since we have a lot to do anyway while there is plenty there to be a quality midfield next year.

    Sancho is the most obvious transfer we have to make in ages. Not sure if he leaves Dortmund this summer though, might have to wait a year. Koulibaly/Skriniar/De Ligt, one of those would also be perfect signings.

    Sell Rojo, Sanchez, Darmian, Valencia, possibly Bailly, probably Mata, Grant. Leaves us with:

    De Gea, Romero, Pereira

    Meunier, Dalot, Shaw, Young
    Koulibaly, Lindelof, Smalling, Jones, Tuanzebe

    Pogba, Herrera, Matic, Fred, Pereira, Mctominay, Garner

    Rashford, Martial, Sancho, Lukaku, Lingard, Greenwood/Chong/Gomes

    We dont need to and shouldnt rush things in the transfer window IMO. If we have to wait a year for Sancho, we agree a deal for the next year like Liverpool did with Keita. We have a very young squad, ever improving especially with Rashford, Martial, Pogba and Shaw being key players. Wouldnt block the development of potentially very useful players just to bring it squad players in midfield or defence.
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    Valencia Shin Crosses Full Member

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    People are seriously underrating how important it is for us to have a right back who is good going forward... something we haven’t had since Rafael. The amount of space our RB gets when teams overload the left HAS to get exposed, instead of having Ashley Young put in shiite crosses to no one repeatedly.
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    Valencia Shin Crosses Full Member

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    Ugh that midfield is crying out for more creativity/class behind Pogba...
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    Jacob Full Member

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    Dalot is evidently good going forward. I rather give him a chance to prove himself than pay for a new RB when funds should first and foremost go to attack. Heck, ever since Smalling turned vegan I think we're fine at CB even.
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    MDFC Manager Full Member

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    The problem is, Dalot is defensively really poor.
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    I'll only take Koulibaly from that lot.

    CB: Koulibaly, Lindelof, Bailly, Smalling, Tuanzebe
    FB: Dalot, Tuanzebe, Young
    RB: TFM
    LB: Shaw

    Defense unit done.

    Do we really need another midfielder?
    Only if some classy few suddenly available, which Rabiot is not.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    By the way, Rabiot isn't a reject. PSG wants him to sign a new contract.
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    laughtersassassin Full Member

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    Doesn't stop us playing Young who is defensively very poor due to his complete lack of knowledge on where to position himself.
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    Smalling has been vegan for years and no we are not fine at CB. He is an ok first choice backup he cannot be our first choice if we want to be a top team.
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    What would you rather discuss then einstein?
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    Jacob Full Member

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    He's been strictly vegan for barely a year.
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    I really didn't think it was possible for someone to pick a random 4 players and make a thread out of it wondering what these random 4 players would look at United. I thought it was done a single player at a time and usually with some sort of transfer window proof.

    Guess not & I am happy for it - I can pick some random 4 players and make a thread out of it too I presume. :)
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    shamans Hoser

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    Well thankfully this forum ain't as strict as military training!
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    laughtersassassin Full Member

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    Well he talked about being vegan a few years ago saying its why he isnt injury prone no more.
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    With Ole in charge I think it makes more sense to go for younger players. De Ligt and Sancho would be a dream.
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    It really irks me when people talk about wanting us to sign players who have publicly outed themselves as not very nice people (Rabiot).

    Why would you want someone like that in the squad? I understand if we're talking about a world class player or something. But he's not even that good.