Lionel Messi

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    kouroux Full Member

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    That's my point, by striker I didn't mean someone like a target man but a player with a free role but more central.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    Not really, i have favourite players and Messi isn't my personal favourite, he is just who i think is the best.

    The problem with messi is that in threads like these people can ask the questions but Ronaldos brigade will always have the answers. They won't look at it objectively at all. If anyone is of any other opinion than "Ronaldo>Messi" they are "deluded" or "a moron" etc.

    Which i think says more about them and their over the top head up Ronaldos waxed butt cheeks than it does about my "teenage-love" for Messi.

    ;)
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    I_live_cement Cat freak

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    I called you deluded for something you did say though. Do keep up.
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    Well, I am no fan of Ronaldo, nevermind from the Ronaldo brigade.

    But I can't see how ayone can claim that Messi is a better player, based on the last few seasons.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    You call me deluded for saying that Barcas double winning season was down to Messi when infact i never said or beleived that to begin with.

    What i did say was that in the last two seasons (trophyless seasons) when Barca have been going for the league and champions league it has been left up to Messi to deliver.

    comprende?
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    I_live_cement Cat freak

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    No I didn't.
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    crappycraperson "Resident cricket authority"

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    Errr You are as bad as these Ronaldo fanboys. Inventing strange reasons to put down Ronaldo.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    well it's just a matter of opinion i guess. You can bring a season by season who is better than who or you can just plump for a player. You can say "only as good as his last game" or you can take a period into account.

    I'm not basing my belief that he is better on the last few seasons, on his last game, or current form. It's a mixture of everything i've seen from both players. From the start of their careers up until now.

    Currently Messi is the better footballer in my eyes.
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    It is obviously a matter of opinions.

    However, some opinions are more crap than others.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    Why don't you explain yourself then rather than continue with the short sentence answers?

    You quoted me saying this.

    The league and champions league was up to Messi, 19/20 year old.

    and your response was "deluded"

    I explain the context of the phrase yet you continue to say i'm deluded so my only conclusion could be that you don't think that Barca were putting enphasis on Messi as the player to pull them through in the league and champions league when the team was struggling.

    In which case you are what you say i am.
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    I_live_cement Cat freak

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    Short sentence answers because I'm in the middle of something at the mo. I'll explain it in a bit.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    This is just one of these rediculous things that happens in football. We are in a good position. I mean players like Kaka and Ibrahimovic arn't even mentioned in the same breath as Ronaldo and Messi at the moment but i think in the future either of them could be serious contenders given the right circumstance.

    Ronaldo has had two fantastic seasons, no-one can dispute that and everyone will bring it up in the future when anyone doubts him, that's his argument for life and it's a pretty solid one at that.

    Players not as good as Ronaldo will have seasons where they perform to a higher level more consistently than him. Same applies to Messi and most other players. You can't be your brilliant best all the time and football is so competitive that it only takes one exellent player to raise his game for a year and be named world player of the year etc.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    I have a feeling i wont like it :lol: ;)
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    Not a single mention of Sergio Aguero in this thread.

    In my opinion, he has just as much potential as Messi to become the greatest player ever.
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    Aguero despite being amazingly mature for his age has some catching up to do Messi but you're right he's got potential to reach these heights
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    Kaka was spoken about in the same way a couple of years ago.

    Ibrahimovic is just not as good, nor will he ever be as good.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    Absolutely, as a striker he is something else already.
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    FranklyVulgar Full Member

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    If Inter wins the champions league and Ibrahimovic is instrumental then he has every chance.
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    CnutOfAllCnuts Bald Boring Cnut

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    Every chance of what?
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    winning the ballon d'or and being spoken about in the same light as Ronaldo and Messi.
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    For a winger/wide striker to contribute 40+ goals in a season, that makes that player the current best in the world. Hands down.

    For all of Messi's quality on the ball, the end product that Ronaldo produces is unparalleled in my lifetime, and he will get better too. Closest I've seen to a perfect footballer.
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    kouroux Full Member

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    So he's the best of all time :p ?
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    Ibsevic has 14 in 13 starts but Eto'o has 13 in 11(10 starts and one sub appearance).

    So nope, Eto'o's is still better.

    :D
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    B20 Giggsy! Giggsy! Giggsy!

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    Murphy was player of the season for us a few years ago, well deserved too. Never the best player the club though.
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    Bilbo Full Member

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    No, but he has the potential to be certainly.
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    B20 Giggsy! Giggsy! Giggsy!

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    Really? I think his wingplay could be a lot better. He's certainly no Figo when it comes to raiding down the flank and setting up others. And he's not exactly a playmaker par excellence.

    He's a very wellrounded player, but a player like Henry is what I think of when it comes to being a complete player (except heading that is).
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    yeah but Vedad doesn't play with Messi who sets up Eto'o with tons of tap ins :D
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    We've ended up in a completely different thread.

    :confused:
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    kouroux Full Member

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    my bad i did select your post but I forgot what was the thread :lol:
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    Brwned Have you ever been in love before?

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    Messi's a better goalscorer than Aguero.

    That says it all when Aguero's a striker really.

    Messi's on another level technically in every area, besides his movement off the ball.

    And Aguero's only a year younger.

    Great player though, but he gets sent off too much.
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    Not sure what age you are but 'fat' Ronaldo from 19-21 was something else. Even Henry at his peak and C.Ronaldo over the last 2 years, can't compare to him at his best.

    The crippling injuries, tranny-gate and the fat jibes have distracted people from what a phenominal player he was. I haven't seen a force like him since. Even Messi, who is as talented as they come is not the devestating player Ronaldo was.

    The fact that after France 98 he was never the same and we never got to see him completely fulfill his potential is one of the most disgusting things to happen in football.
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    Jeez that's some statement that.
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    Agree about fat Ronaldo, but even taking into account his early career form I still believe that our Ronaldo is a more complete attacking player. Fat Ronaldo would probably come closest to him. Henry had one season where he was different class, his peak season, but apart from that he doesn't warrant mention with the true greats IMO.

    Its frightening to imagine the player our Ronaldo can become in another two or three years. His pitch awareness will improve and that will make him almost unstoppable.

    I'm 31 by the way.
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    kouroux Full Member

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    OMG ,now Ronaldo > Fat Ronaldo ?
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    Bilbo Full Member

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    He doesn't have a weakness. Pace, skill, strength, two good pegs, good in the air, plus he has that drive about him where you know that he won't stop until he becomes the best he can possibly be.

    To be super picky about him, he doesn't always take the best option when releasing the ball, but he has improved ten-fold in the last five years and will likely continue to improve.

    The perfect footballer.
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    Bilbo Full Member

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    42 goals from a wide starting position. He'll probably get close to it again this season.

    You can't argue with those numbers.

    Fat Ronaldo was awesome. I'm not disputing that. Our Ronaldo is better IMO.
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    He's got a good left foot (especially for a great player who tend to be highly one-footed) but I wouldn't say he's truly two-footed like a Makaay or a Nedved.
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    kouroux Full Member

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    I'm just gonna pretend I never read your post because honestly it's really baffling me , must be a WUM
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    I think he's in the same bracket. Don't forget that he scored one of the most beautiful goals in his United career with his left foot (the one against Portsmouth).
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    Sarni nice guy, unassuming, objective United fan.

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    I don't think it's that controversial to be honest. I think Brazilian Ronaldo was slightly better at his best but the Portuguese one is an amazing footballer as well. The only reason why some people think they cannot be compared is that Brazilian Ronaldo belongs to the past, and people believe that the past is always better than present.

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