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Messi and Ronaldo are so good they make Rooney, Ibrahimovich, Drogba, and Gerrard look like inconsistent pub players at times.
75% or so from 12 yards is anything but pretty good...
For some reason I more remember the second penalty that we should have had against Barca at the Camp Nou than Ronaldo's miss
Truth is missing a penalty is just shameful, period. Because there is rarely a good excuse for it. That is why it is always big news when it happens.
Did a quick search, he has scored 16 out of 22 penalties (missing 6), which is a conversion rate of 73%. That needs drastic improvement, as Cal? said - but on the flip side, Barca has only not gone on to win in 1 of those matches.
CR7 though has taken 38 in his career, scoring 34, missing 4. With a conversion rate of around 90%. (at Madrid he's scored 23 out of 24).
Just 1? Was that Betis away in the copa del rey after being 5-0 up from the first leg?
Oh and Real Madrid really do get alot of penalties don'tthey
Aah not too sure mate, I just did a quick google search for their penalty records! Sorry.
Yep, they get a shed load of penalties (and not to mention every team seems to get someone sent off against them) - they do spend most of the time on the attack though, but the stats are still a bit skewed IMO.
Very arrogant view specially when keepers (sometimes) pull off amazing saves.
At an amateur level, yes. When the keepers arent as good you really shouldnt be missing. The keepers have no knowledge of where you are going to go etc. Much harder for a keeper. I play at a decent level and didnt miss my first pen til last season, was gutted.
At a professional level with all the dvds, videos and the quality of keepers, its certainly more acceptable to miss a penalty. Certainly isnt shameful.
indeed, the other day Mata from chelsea missed a penalty because birmingham keeper did a great job
I already knew about his shoddy penalty record, never mind what others do, missing 1/4 of all penalties is simply not good enough...
The counter argument to that is professional players can practice their penalties all day and therefore shouldn't be operating with much of a margin for error.
fecks sake why did I click on this thread. Goodbye.
Top post. He's clearly the best player in the world by a long chalk at the moment. I also like the fact that he doesn't appear to need to cheat all the time, which makes him a far superior footballer to one of the past who did it all the time.
Think he has 2 foul throw ins this season.
Get rid imo.
Messi doesn't even need pens. Unlike the greasy one.
Okay, good enough for what though? What possible difference does it make to him as a player overall? Wayne is fairly inconsistent at penalties, all that means is that he shouldn't take pens if there is someone better available. You look like your trying to use his penalty record as a stick to beat him with as a player, which makes zero sense in the wider context of his achievements as seen each season.
If Messi wasn't banging in the same amount goals per games, and achieving half that figure in assists each season, perhaps his penalty record might mean something.
So we are not allowed to point out his weakness in the 'Messi' thread? How about renaming it 'Messi-praise only'.
brilliant idea! i vote "yes"!
That's what I was getting at, it looks like Guardiola is indulging Messi's desire to score more goal even though he isn't very good at penalties.
Now because he's been taking most Barcas penalties, there isn't much stats available for Xavi & co, but I find it hard to believe none of them is a better Pk taker.
Go start one. I promise not to criticise him in that thread.
I agree. A good penalty is unstoppable, even if the keeper knows where it is going he can't do anything about it. It's a skill that can be worked on too.
He could be, but then we don't really know the quality of other penalty takers on the team. Like for United, a lot of us question Rooney as a penalty taker, but I have faith that we wouldn't let him take them if there was someone clearly and consistently better. Nani, Hernandez and Berbatov all look like better takers in my eyes, but they haven't had the run in that Wayne has and aren't picked on the day, so perhaps it's not the gamble it looks like. I guess it's probably the same with Barcelona.
That's all very well, but Villa takes penalties for Spain and has a better record for Valencia & Spain than Messi does.
Now I'm aware that Villa has been injured, dropped this season, but how about last season?
really? because of the 27 goals he scored in la liga this season, only two were from penaltys
Nombre Goals foot head Pen
C.Ron 28 14 4 10
Messi 27 24 1 2
Falca 14 6 3 5
Higua 14 14 0 0
Benzm 13 13 0 0
a good shot is unstoppable, that doesn't mean that every shot should be at goal and if it doesnt the shooter is shit
you are defining "good" for "goal" and is not like that
juan mata's penalty last sunday agains birminghan was very good taken, and 90 percent of the penaltys taken that way are goal, would you say that the penalty was bad because the goalie stopped it?
and if that's the case, then the other penalties taken the same way were badly taken although they end up scoring?
Okay, so let's just say Villa should take the penalties. Who cares? Why does this even matter?
Because he needs to prove that Ronaldo is a better player than Messi.
Who actually cares if Ronaldo scored more penalties than Messi? Mark Noble scored more penalties than Wayne Rooney, does that matter? Should we sign him to take over penalty duties? Ridiculous.
Seriously Cal? noone really cares about penalties.
As for indulging Messi, well so what? Managers always indulge their best players. What Messi brings is far greater than a few missed pens. So who cares?
Cristiano was a bit a twat when he was here. Fergie indulged him because he was good. Happens all the time.
That can't be real? 10 penalties?? SO take away penalties and Ronaldo has 18 goals to Messis 25? So Messi missed one in the league so that means Barca have had 3 penalties whilst madrid have had 10? that's some stat.
Aslo Messi was taking penalties before Guardiola was the manager, so the idea that he's "indulging" him is a bit off.
He's running out of arguments. Soon we will be talking about Messi's world cup record again.
You have to admire his persistence.
It's a trend, he scours stats looking for ways in which Ronaldo is better. Then this stat becomes the most important in the game. It's repetitive and boring, if i didn't know better i'd say he was just on the wind up. But no this is Cal????
if you take away ronaldos penaltis, he only scored 4 more goals than higuain
and higuain doesnt play as much games as ronaldo
If you take away Messi's goals from open play he has only scored 2 this season.
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