Lionel Messi

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    Ballache Full Member

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    so do i
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    as i said before, i don't think it's possible to compare both players, they are like pele and maradona, they are both great footballers with different skills

    and i want any of them -or both, of course- in my team

    i thank god that messi is an argie, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't be as pleased if ronaldo was one too
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    He's a lost cause, when Messi is at his best it is clear no-one comes close right now.

    Regarding Domenech you are so right. How he is still in that job i'll never know. Firstly Frey should be the number one without question. He has constantly over looked Mexes until now and has never once managed to get the best out of the players at his disposal. Ribery is the one player i think that has the level of maturity and character to raise the bar and inspire the side, i thought he played very well in patches and always looks to take the game to his opponents.
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    Domenech has a big hatred towards players who play in Italy.It's a known factor,Frey only made one big mistake in a match and after he was nowhere to be found.It took him a long time to play Mexes,he'd forgotten about Trezguet when he was fit and playing.
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    ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY

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    he doesn't need to, his movement with the ball and without the ball is much different that circa 2006. I miss this :(

    But it has all been for the better, of course.
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    ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY

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    what is this?!?!?! this common sense.

    What is this doing on the caf!!!!!!:houllier:
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    Ballache Full Member

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    season 2006\2007 Ronaldo was amazing...last season he didnt play as good but was more clinical infront of goal
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    ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY

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    06-07 Ronaldo was more of a playmaker

    07-08 Ronaldo was more of a match-winner


    "different strokes for different folks"
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    ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY

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    but in no way did he "not play as good" last season, he was a one man wrecking team
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    ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY

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    what were his assists last season? not to mention deflected shots-on-goal and free kicks that were converted into goals?

    And the other team members that were freed up to score goals because other teams had to mark Ronaldo with 2-3 players?

    can someone pull those stats please?
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    Ballache Full Member

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    i liked the 06-07 Ronaldo more...not that i would say no to another season like 07-08. he is a magnificent player, but for me Messi is better. i argued that Ronaldo is better for ages but this season it was obvious who's the better player. too bad Messi plays for Barca though...can't stand them
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    He doesn't need to but also whenever he tried to dribble past players it's only about his crazy pace.If he's double marked there ain't much he can do about it.
    I also miss his dribbling,as stupid as it looked at times it was great to watch
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    ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY

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    I don't disagree that Messi is the best this season, Ronaldo's form has been horrible. (look at how spoiled we are, considering Ronaldo's stats this season are still > most strikers/wingers in the league and world)

    I mentioned in the "I Told You So" thread that Messi will succeed Ronaldo this year as FIFA World Player of the Year.
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    Ronaldo hasn't been horrible...the thing is what im trying to say is that we saw Ronaldo at his best and now we're seeing Messi at his best...for me Messi is the better player
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    vijay Im rude and disprespectful to the ladies of the fo

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    Pumpido crocked up against Soviet Union and never seen again.

    Had he played ahead of Goycochea, you lot wouldn't have advanced to the finals.

    Burruchaga was shite, Cannigia eclipsed him...Guisti was finished by 90.

    Ruggeri...he played well.
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    ALX8725 reyalP maeT htuoY

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    well, we all know what he is fully capable of... so in a way, yeah he has been horrible (not single handedly destroying teams one match after another this season):(
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    KingEric7 Conspiracy enthusiast

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    Bollocks. The 06/07 Ronaldo was capable of doing it, but there has never been a point where Ronaldo could beat men as consistently, or with anywhere near as much ease as what Messi is doing now. Stepovers and tricks do not equate to world class dribbling ability. That sort of talent is reserved only for the most gifted of players; namely, Giggs, Messi, Maradona, etc...
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    Ronaldo must have about 75 freekicks/shots every game. I could score a few every season if I had that many, nevermind Messi.
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    KingEric7 Conspiracy enthusiast

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    There is nothing remotely controversial about that post; Ronaldo does not possess world class dribbling ability. That's no discredit to him, because only a few players do.
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    Ronaldo has a better freekick taken vs scored record than Beckham.

    But Beckham had a higher percentage of on target freekicks, prior to 2001 that made him dangerous.

    Even if Ronaldo scores few with his free kicks majority of his kicks either hit the wall or land in to the stands, not a big threat only as good as Beckham post 2001.
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    Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department)

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    Pls provide link to freekick Messi scored.
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    Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department)

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    No I do not wish Messi suddenly develops great heading ability or freekick skills. Why would I wish that?
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    vijay Im rude and disprespectful to the ladies of the fo

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    Second match this season..

    Cannot remember the opponents though.

    Nevertheless, had our Ronaldo played at Barca, they wouldn't have given him nuff to time practice his pyrotechiques with set pieces , never mind continuing it even though he isnt that good.
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    Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department)

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    :lol: great clip, best freekick messi ever took.
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    Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department)

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    Pure speculation, had Messi played in the Prem he might have been kicked so much that he went crying to mummy like Reyes did.
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    He was kicked all over the place when Barcelona played Madrid if I remember rightly. Not that it was a problem mind, he's much stronger than Ronaldo on the ball.
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    Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department)

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    Now you're basing it on one game? Most accept that the Prem is more physical than La Liga. Many players who could not cope with the Prem have excelled in La Liga. Reyes is the prime example.
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    I see no reason why Messi wouldn't succeed in the Premiership if Ronaldo has done.

    As I have already said, he's much stronger on the ball than Ronaldo.
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    Many players who were washed out in La Liga, Serie A and the French league ended up as legends in the premier league. It can happen either way.
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    Cal? from Redcafe (matchfixing department)

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    I was merely speculating much like vijay claiming Ronaldo wouldn't have made it at Barca.
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    It certainly can, Forlan, Kanoute being some examples.
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    Ronaldo's strength on the ball is underrated, recent example was when Belleti hacked at him and then got the chance to hack him again and did so. I also think Ronaldo's dribbling is underrated, when he first came to the club, that was his main asset and I use to love watching him play. Okay he doesn't use it as much anymore and isn't as good as Messi or Ronaldinho at it but he isn't too bad himself.. 06/07 shows that imo.

    Messi's a better player than Ronaldo, yes. However, Ronaldo is still quality and even though he didn't show as much of his dribbling last season etc he still has those qualities and can't exactly lose them that quickly and even so he can get them back. Hopefully he plays like he does in 06/07 again and then I'm sure there wouldn't be as much criticism.
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    If Messi played in the Premiership, he'd play 10 games a season and remain injured for the rest.
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    :lol: YUP
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    this is probably true, Messi gets injured quite easily and often for someone playing in La Liga...
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    What Madrid did to Messi was as nasty as i've seen. I can't ever remember anyone getting that badly treated in the prem. Not since F Ronaldo in 98 in the world cup did I wince as much.

    It's all well and good getting kicked about the pitch, knocks and bruises . But having your exposed achilles raked again and again and again was just brutal to watch. Especially given Messi's injury record.

    Still he went on to help his team win.
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    This season seems to be a different story.

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