Liverpool - 2017/18

Discussion in 'Football Forum' started by Rafateria, Jun 4, 2017.

  1. Jan 12, 2018

    Klopper76 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2015
    Messages:
    7,839
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Seems like he’s getting his information from Leipzig’s side.

    I’m not going to assume anything though. Most journalists just make it up as they go on during transfer windows. It’s amazing how many of them are wrong so often but still get paid at the end of it.
  2. Jan 12, 2018

    NotBrendanRodgers honest Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2016
    Messages:
    241
    Location:
    Earth
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    These two articles have some good insight about this whole saga...
    Klopp talks about why he le Coutinho go, he says that he will have all the money to spend and more if needed, says money is never an issue at the club anymore and the club are doing things differently these days getting the top players other clubs want too... Also says other players won't be leaving like that

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...-coutinho-money-reinvested-liverpool-14149960

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/jurgen-klopp-gave-green-light-14150105
  3. Jan 12, 2018

    Trizy Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2014
    Messages:
    9,870
    €95m :eek:
  4. Jan 12, 2018

    IrishRedDevil Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2016
    Messages:
    3,332
    Location:
    N.Ireland
    A year ago he said Coutinho won't be sold. Words mean nothing.
  5. Jan 13, 2018

    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    4,183
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Seems like it'll happen in the next couple of days. Imperative that we get another attacker this window on top.
  6. Jan 13, 2018

    Dumbstar Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2002
    Messages:
    13,124
    Location:
    Viva Karius!
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    What's 95m in GBP?
  7. Jan 13, 2018

    groovyalbert Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,724
    Location:
    Brighton
    Yup, and if Keita joins for the fees being suggested, he'll be quitting management.
  8. Jan 13, 2018

    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    4,183
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Around 84.4 million, according to current exchange rates. Although different sources are quoting different fees.
  9. Jan 13, 2018

    Dumbstar Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2002
    Messages:
    13,124
    Location:
    Viva Karius!
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    That sounds too high. I'd be surprised at that price, unless we're rolling in dosh now.
  10. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    Keita having a terrible season too.

    Wow. Paying Pogba money for him.
  11. Jan 13, 2018

    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    4,183
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    The German football expert has spoken.
  12. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    No not an expert but he has been pretty poor. Could be because his mind is elsewhere, who knows. He's not performing like an 84m quid player though that's for sure. No wonder the aren't fussy if he goes now.
  13. Jan 13, 2018

    Harry190 Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2010
    Messages:
    2,806
    Location:
    Canada
    Think they have the most beautiful offensive play in the league. Nicer than City. Reminds me a bit of our own style in the late nineties.
  14. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
  15. Jan 13, 2018

    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    4,183
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    [​IMG]

    If that's the case, I look forward to him actually hitting some form.
  16. Jan 13, 2018

    Kraftwerker Formerly RedAddict

    Joined:
    May 30, 2008
    Messages:
    13,863
    Location:
    We can't stop here. This is bat country.
    Remember when Liverpool fans used to cherry pick stats from this website last season to tell us Henderson was better than Pogba.
  17. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    Yeah! :lol:
  18. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    So you seriously believe he's the best central midfielder in the world? You guys are crazy!

    You're also mad if you think those stats prove anything
  19. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
  20. Jan 13, 2018

    Goochy Banned

    Joined:
    May 10, 2016
    Messages:
    144
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    @TheReligion, just a reminder to you that as the troll you are meant to be the one who keeps his cool ;)
  21. Jan 13, 2018

    ShadesOfTomato Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    4,183
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Not sure about cherry picking, they're all pretty relevant for a CM.

    The point made was that he's having a poor season. Yet stats paint a different story, no?

    I can't seem to find the bit where I said he's the best CM in the world. But straw man away :houllier::lol:
  22. Jan 13, 2018

    Rafateria Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2009
    Messages:
    6,246
    Location:
    Shanghai
    It was also pointed out though that Pearce was denying the VvD deal was being done even whilst he was actually taking his medical - obviously on instructions from the club that didn't want anything to feck it up this time.
  23. Jan 13, 2018

    giorno Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2016
    Messages:
    9,537
    Supports:
    Real Madrid
    About £142m of it...
    No, they have a point. You're comparing a guy playing in germany with four guys playing in england, and 3 of whom play a different role than him for their teams. If you want to make a meaningful comparison, make it with vidal, thiago, goreztka, zakaria, sahin...
  24. Jan 13, 2018

    Klopper76 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2015
    Messages:
    7,839
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Worth pointing out that we paid most of Keita’s fee in the summer after he’d just had a very good season with Leipzig.

    Based on that the £58 million or whatever it was in the summer isn’t that mad given how much prices went up last summer.

    That being said, I’m not sure how I feel about us paying a further £13-£17 million for him when he’ll only get to play a few league games and maybe some in the FA Cup as well.
  25. Jan 13, 2018

    Speedy30 Liverpool Fan

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2013
    Messages:
    574
    Location:
    On the Kop
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Barca paid £140m for that. On the plus side, he's be in 6 months early and have that time to be able to learn Klopps style of football. By the start of next season, he'll be fully ready to go
  26. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    Oh Hi again!

    Quit lurking and get involved!
  27. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    The stats you select..

    So you're saying he's having a better season than Pogba, Matic, Kante and Fernandinho?

    Because the stats you selected (all 5 of them) he scored higher at.

    :lol:

    And I thought you'd be well aware he's not been particularly good this season. It's quite common knowledge.
  28. Jan 13, 2018

    Klopper76 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2015
    Messages:
    7,839
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Yeah but I don’t fully understand why Barcelona wanted Coutinho now either.

    There are pros to it but he’s cup tied for the CL like Keita is.
  29. Jan 13, 2018

    giorno Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2016
    Messages:
    9,537
    Supports:
    Real Madrid
    Because they promised coutinho they'd do it, and not keeping their word would have done a lot of damage to their image, not just with other agents/players, but also their own
  30. Jan 13, 2018

    Rafateria Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2009
    Messages:
    6,246
    Location:
    Shanghai
    How would you feel though if those matches (there will be what 15-16 PL matches remaining and if we are lucky another 5 FAC to the final ?) took us to PL Runners Up and winning the FAC ? Or maybe without him not even making the final or Top 4 ? Of course impossible to guess as this moment but there's surely a much greater chance with him than without (and of course it allows one of our other midfielders a rest prior to a CL match).

    Look at the money alone at stake, £13m (which is what I'd guess it will be closer to) is nothing in comparison to what we could end up losing out on (to say nothing to our attractiveness as a team to better new players in the Summer).
  31. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    This is the test for the most expensive defender in the history of the game.

    How will Virg fare? Let's see if he's worth the money.
  32. Jan 13, 2018

    Rafateria Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2009
    Messages:
    6,246
    Location:
    Shanghai
    It isn't 'common knowledge' at all. He still made the BL team of the season prior to their Winter break and his stats are very positive in areas that our current midfield is very weak. Regardless of whether this season he's performing as well at last (he's not).
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2018
  33. Jan 13, 2018

    NinjaZombie Punched the air when Liverpool beat City

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2011
    Messages:
    6,592
    Location:
    Ander for captain.
    :lol:

    I'd love to see what Pogba would do in the Bundesliga.
  34. Jan 13, 2018

    DonnieDarko New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    141
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    I have a feeling he won't start the ManCity game. He's a very good player, but it will take time for him to settle.
    Not only he has to adapt to how we play, others have to adapt to him. He's commanding, and I bet some particular Lovrens, or anybody else, may not like a new guy shouting orders at them after being 2 days in a club.

    But I'd like him to start, he'll be unplayable for City in the air and could probably upset them more often than he did with Everton.
  35. Jan 13, 2018

    Klopper76 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2015
    Messages:
    7,839
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    You can’t judge any signing based on one 90 minute game.

    People were ripping into Pogba at the beginning of last season because he wasn’t having an immediate impact. There’s a tendency to knee jerk when it comes to rivals and big money signings.

    I’d rather make an initial judgement on Van Dijk at the end of the season when he’s played a few games.
  36. Jan 13, 2018

    BluesJr Full Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2013
    Messages:
    2,653
    Pogba's stats in that league would destroy those.
  37. Jan 13, 2018

    DreamIsh Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2017
    Messages:
    171
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    Yeah, he isn't having a great time of it this season... that's for sure.

    But what other stats are missing from that comparison? Genuine question
  38. Jan 13, 2018

    giorno Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2016
    Messages:
    9,537
    Supports:
    Real Madrid
    The problem is he's comparing him to players from a different league. Look up average tackles or interceptions per game in the bundesliga than compare with the PL for example...
  39. Jan 13, 2018

    TheReligion Abusive

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2006
    Messages:
    21,552
    Location:
    Manchester
    It will be beyond stupid if he doesn't play.

    I think it's fair for people to expect VVD to hit the ground running since he's been playing in the PL for sometime, is already used to the league and different styles of play.

    Pogba is a silly comparison as he had been playing in Italy for 3/4 years (totally different speed and style to that of the fast paced aggressive PL). It was obviously going to take him a little bit of time to settle although with him he was brilliant on his debut, it was more consistency he initially struggled with.

    VVD is the most expensive defender the world has ever seen. Expectations will rightly be very high and there can be no excuses if he fails to deliver.
  40. Jan 13, 2018

    Klopper76 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2015
    Messages:
    7,839
    Supports:
    Liverpool
    I don’t think there was a suggestion that Henderson was a better player than Pogba. I think it’s fair to say that Henderson had a better first half of 16/17 than Pogba did though.

    No one is going to argue that Henderson was or is going to be better than Pogba. I actually want Henderson replaced. He reeks of average.